Peed off - Garmin 660 & Basecamp

[itspilsbury]

Blimey, thanks everyone for all your interest and help, and Leedude03 for your offer to pop up to mine.
Anyway what I have done tonight, spent all evening until now 12:30am, i have dug out my old Windows Vista Laptop and the 2011 map from disc then Mapsource then with MapUpdater installed 2016.2 map and did several routs including a real criss crossy 500 mile route and they all transfer ok onto the 660, so then I dropped my original route I sent to you onto a memory stick and dropped it onto my laptop, and sent it via Mapsource to the 660 and it transfrered perfectly. Its the work of the devil !!! At least now I can continue to plan detailed routes, either on Mapsource and send to my 660 or Basecamp and then save as a GPX file and drop it onto my laptop and send it via Mapsource. I really didnt want to shell out for a newer sat nav!

 

[leedude03]

Itspilsbury could you please try this file on your zumo, it is a redone version of yours, let me know if it works, download link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4b1jkek8dhcredk/home to home.gpx?dl=0


posted this before i read the above from yourself, just try this route on your mac to see what occurs, i did find one strange thing with your route when i looked at its properties in basecamp it did not show any time for the journey and the one i have done does, anyway try it and get back to us.

mapsource will work with both .gpx and .gdb files and so will basecamp.

 

[Flipfly]

Garmin route planning went down the pan with basecamp imho. I just use the 660 for music now and getting me out of the shit if I get lost.

I think the 660's internal route planning is also an issue as it doesn't like taking anything but the fastest route.

On the whole the 2610 is a better unit for bimbling around off the beaten track.

 

[JoeBiff]

Just my tuppenenth worth.
I've always had trouble where a route has an identical start/finish point node. I simply believe it is not something the algorithms of either BC or the 660/Nav IV can handle. So, I avoid them. This is not only my experience but that of others, too, over quite a considerable period. If the Nav V device can handle identical start/finish nodes

The "values" of each road will differ across devices, although this is not something a user can alter; it is a manufacturer preset value when each mapset is developed (and will vary from mapset to mapset). So, probably little to be gained comparing one mapset with another, and one device from another of the same manufacturer. Again, something I noticed when comparing routes created by a riding buddy for the same trip - it just leads to confusion (best stick to one device, and ignore the guidance from the others).

My other point being that I'm pretty sure BC was primarily written for a Windows platform, and the crossover rewrite to Macintosh probably hasn't helped, though I have no evidence of this other than anecdotal.

Good luck

 

[itspilsbury]

Itspilsbury could you please try this file on your zumo, it is a redone version of yours, let me know if it works, download link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4b1jkek8dhcredk/home to home.gpx?dl=0


posted this before i read the above from yourself, just try this route on your mac to see what occurs, i did find one strange thing with your route when i looked at its properties in basecamp it did not show any time for the journey and the one i have done does, anyway try it and get back to us.

mapsource will work with both .gpx and .gdb files and so will basecamp.

Hi,

I downloaded it from dropbox onto my MAC and sent it to the 660, the result was a gobbledegook route again of 328 miles instead of 170, I exported it from Basecamp onto a memory stick and transferred it onto my Windows Vista Laptop and opened it in Mapsource and again sent it to the 660 but with a slightly different name, this time it was almost perfect, mileage slightly different at 176 miles.

So it would appear my situation is : I can plot routes on either my MAC with Basecamp (best as the screen is biggest and clearest and I have become more familiar with it over the last 3 years), I can also plot my routes on my Windows Vista laptop with Mapsource. To send to my 660 unit I must use Mapsource to replicate the route perfectly. Until of course my 660 dies and I upgrade, one day years in the future I hope.

Thanks again,

Ian

 

[leedude03]

QUOTE (The "values" of each road will differ across devices, although this is not something a user can alter; it is a manufacturer preset value when each mapset is developed (and will vary from mapset to mapset). So, probably little to be gained comparing one mapset with another, and one device from another of the same manufacturer. Again, something I noticed when comparing routes created by a riding buddy for the same trip - it just leads to confusion (best stick to one device, and ignore the guidance from the others)

This i could understand, if i was using different map sets and if my navs were set different from one another, or if i had been using different versions of mapsets on the pc, but i have not all are the same, i would say you are correct with there being a pre defined difference in navs that can not be altered by the user, such as the way its cpu and firmware calculates and works out the distances.

QUOTE (I've always had trouble where a route has an identical start/finish point node. I simply believe it is not something the algorithms of either BC or the 660/Nav IV can handle. So, I avoid them. This is not only my experience but that of others, too, over quite a considerable period. If the Nav V device can handle identical start/finish nodes.

Never had the above issue starting and ending a route at the same place using basecamp or mapsource and transfering and then using the said route with any of my devices, however there is sometimes a small difference in distance of the route.

 

[leedude03]

QUOTE (Hi,

I downloaded it from dropbox onto my MAC and sent it to the 660, the result was a gobbledegook route again of 328 miles instead of 170, I exported it from Basecamp onto a memory stick and transferred it onto my Windows Vista Laptop and opened it in Mapsource and again sent it to the 660 but with a slightly different name, this time it was almost perfect, mileage slightly different at 176 miles.

So it would appear my situation is : I can plot routes on either my MAC with Basecamp (best as the screen is biggest and clearest and I have become more familiar with it over the last 3 years), I can also plot my routes on my Windows Vista laptop with Mapsource. To send to my 660 unit I must use Mapsource to replicate the route perfectly. Until of course my 660 dies and I upgrade, one day years in the future I hope.

Thanks again,

Ian

Ian the only conclusion i could draw from the above is that the route when sent from your mac to device is somehow being randomly altered, why this is hapening i have no real idea, unless you are using a different usb lead on the mac compared to the one you are plugging into the pc. well at least you now have a way around the issue.