Please help me not judge my next bike by aesthetics

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Help me not judge my next bike by aesthetics.

Ok, so it’s a subjective thing, and as a means of choosing a motorcycle a pretty daft one, and given that I’m asking this on a GS forum means that I already appreciate the multifaceted qualities of the GS, but I just can’t help being seduced by the aesthetics of sports and sport tourer bikes.

I’ve already made this mistake, but thankfully not irreversibly. I decided to trade in my VFR750FR for an Aprilia Falco, and having ridden the Falco for nearly a month now I’ve decided it just doesn’t suit me as well as the VFR, so I’m going back to my old friend & selling the Falco instead of the VFR. After months of consideration I’d concluded that the Falco was the ideal next bike for me, and yes, a large part of this was because I’d been seduced by it’s looks and exclusivity. I knew I would be trading off some benefits of the Honda for other benefits of the Aprilia, and thought that I could overcome the limitations of this more sporty ride. I thought the superior engine & handling of the Aprilia would carry me through the loss of all the VFR’s usefulness……. but I was wrong. And to make matters worse I actually think I’m a better rider on the VFR. Apart from the sheer grunt of the brilliant Rotax engine, and the taughter chassis of the Falco, I’m just as fast on the VFR too (much of this is probably due to the Maxton shock & fork set up on the VFR). Ok, so that’s probably down to me not being a good enough rider to fully exploit the Aprilia, and that’s another lesson I’ve had to come to terms with. It’s been a difficult unsettling period of motorcycle ownership, and one that’s got me considering the way I choose a bike probably needs some serious adjustment.
So I’m now looking toward my next bike as something truly better than the VFR for all my motorcycling needs.
My problem is that I’m very aesthetic driven, and I do like small light motorcycles, but I know this severely limits me. Despite the fact that the Falco hasn’t worked for me I still get a buzz from seeing it sat outside my house. Of course one mans work of art is another’s ‘carbuncle on an old friend’ and frustratingly my aesthetic appreciations for sports bikes are unmatched by my riding capabilities. I know this now.
Perhaps I need to grown up into the 50 year old body I inhabit.

Now that I’m looking seriously at the GS, and assuming I can get my head to control my heart a wee bit more, I have some specific questions about which GS to go for.

I will be getting a loan for this next bike but my budget will still be limited to less than £6000, so what benefits would I get with say a basic 1200 over a well kitted out 1150? Do I need to spend £6000 or will a £3500-£4000 1150 serve me well enough for 3-4 years? Or would an 800GS do the trick. I've discounted it on the grounds that I'd feel it was gutless, and wouldn't be as good for pillion as an 1150/1200 (ehem, no comments on the Aprilia in that regard please) but please correct me if I'm wrong. It’s worrying that I’ve read quite a lot of opinions here in the switch to the GS that a test ride is almost counterproductive, so I’m almost tempted not to bother, but I’m nervous of committing to a GS without riding a few. I won’t be doing a lot of adventure traveling (well not in the near future) so a full blown adventure GS is wasted on me I know, but useful road additions would certainly persuade my choice.

Finally, to those that have swapped from the VFR, is there any of the VFR’s sportish, slimmer, lighter or sophisticated nature that you miss? Having never ridden a GS I can’t comment, but I get the feeling that I will have to acclimatise to the lack of any engine ‘rush’ and ride the GS in a different way. I know you can hussle these things so I guess I’ll still be getting my kicks, just in a different way. This is something I’ve learnt since riding the Falco. I actually prefer (or if you like, only have the skills) to ride smoothly and swiftly as opposed to fast & furious. I know the machine is irrelevant in most respects, but the VFR fitted my style of riding better than the Aprilia, and I will need the GS to fit too. As a fair few folk here have made the transition from a VFR to a GS, I guess it’s likely to – but I could be wrong ??

I suppose you only have to answer one question that sums up my requirement in a bike:

“Is it possible to have a sophisticated, capable, all-round AND exciting bike in one package.“


….and when you find that bike, and grow to love it despite it’s looks, will you ever stop looking at prettier models and wanting them?


Rene
 
I went from VFR800FiY (6 years) to K1200S (3 years) to R1200GS (6 months) and miss the handling of the sports tourers when pushed hard - most of the time my ESA equipped GS is fine - and the warp speed of the K1200S and the linear power of the VFR.

In day-to-day use, the GS feels lighter and quicker steering and is much more fun on bumpy, twisty backroads. I ride two-up nearly all the time nowadays and it's perfect for that role bar the lack of grunt compared to my K....but then hardly anything on the road is as quick for overtaking as a K1200S as it's geared for the road, not some unachievable top speed.

Chances are we'll keep the GS when it's paid off and buy a cheapish Blackbird to compliment it.
 
You want

A KTM 950,imho. I have a 1200GSA and i love it,i dont get to ride as much as i like but when i do i do big mile days,From your post id say a katoom 950 would suit your needs,quick quirky and fun,slim and much lighter than a GS,you're not gonna tour and pillion comfort is ok,iv come from a 990 but these are jerky on throttle and so a 950 would be a better bet for you.IMHO:Motomartin
 
Handsome is as handsome does or, as a very innovative railway engineer put it, form follows function. Amazing as it may seem, lots of us love the way the GS looks!
 
Sven - thanks for the comparison. I've read a few of your comments here & on the VFR Bikersoracle and I appreciate you're a pretty quick rider. If the GS only come second to the K1200S it will satisfy my desire fro grunt that's for sure.

Cherokee - KTM990SMT - nice - now if only I could afford one :D

JPB - yes, I appreciate it's only subjective, and I do actually think the 1200 looks the biz. I didn't mean to offend any here and I'm in no way saying my opinion is right. It's just that I know I have a bias towards the aesthetic proportions of sport & sport tourer bikes but maybe that's because I'm not looking with an open mind??? Hence the post.
 
R1200R - lots more fun than a GS and does all you could ask of it apart from getting you across un-mapped sections of desert.
 
If you think the VFR flatters your riding style i'm sure the later gs's will feel OK for you, they certainly look after you and they enable even the most average rider to punch well above his weight. You may miss the engine performance though, it won't scream away (ish) like the VFR's do, and GS's tend to 'gather speed' more than the 'oooooooo feketyffeffek' that you get with the more sportier models.

Saying that its still the quickest bike I've had long distance A-B in all weathers on all roads, in the summer run to the cafe you may be a few seconds behind after half an hour, in the winter or wet you'll be halfway though your cup of tea before the sportsbike/tourer crowd get to the cafe.

A test ride won't be enough to convince you unless you can get one for a day or two, just get one :thumb2 It's only a bike you can always sell it again.

Shep
 
As a young blade living in a 50 year old body:rob, you will have lived through the 'must have' fashions or hairstyles of the past decades and may now guffaw at how in heaven's name you could have gone down that road. Its the same with cars and bikes - need I name them?

As a newish convert (2 years) to the Dark Side and coming from a long-line of sports bikes - not least of which was this little beauty .......

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..........I completely understand your reluctance at leaving such a pleasurable and stylish world behind. But that's forgetting the dreadful riding position for everyday use, the cramped legs, strained wrists, rattly clutch and ring-puckering fear when you think that you must be a riding God and you are definitely not as you nearly wipe out on the sharp bend. :eek:

Now ride the apparently fugly GS for a while and marvel at how easy it all seems, how you lose the tyres' chicken strips in no time at all, how unstressed it all is and just what a shed load of fun you have doing it. Do that for a month and I guarantee that you will look at your new pride and joy and the GS ugly duckling will be no more. You won't be the only one who has a last peek in the garage at night. :bow

Just DO IT.
 
Hey you oldrascal, thanks for that. In one succinct post you've managed to encompass pretty much all my thoughts. And what a beauty that red one is - always ave and still do think that is THE most gorgeous bike ever designed. Not ridden one though. That must have been a hell of a heartbreaking sale.

Your quote "you think that you must be a riding God and you are definitely not"
is exactly where I am, and even now I'm thinking maybe I should just learn to get better on the Falco as it's such a great machine, but if I'm honest, I know my talents are not enough to warrant such a bike. Mind you, that also applies to the GS I guess, but at least with one of those I can just get on & use it however I like, and experience some pleasure at all sorts of speeds. I really didn't consider I'd be put through such emotional turmoil and self humiliation when I bought the Falco, so my next purchase will be much more thoroughly and honestly considered. But thanks everyone for your input - certainly helps. The likely truth I guess is that I probably haven't grown out of the VFR just yet, so I'm sure it will serve me well until I've found the next, right bike.
 
Hey you oldrascal, thanks for that. In one succinct post you've managed to encompass pretty much all my thoughts. And what a beauty that red one is - always ave and still do think that is THE most gorgeous bike ever designed. Not ridden one though. That must have been a hell of a heartbreaking sale.

Your quote "you think that you must be a riding God and you are definitely not"
is exactly where I am, and even now I'm thinking maybe I should just learn to get better on the Falco as it's such a great machine, but if I'm honest, I know my talents are not enough to warrant such a bike. Mind you, that also applies to the GS I guess, but at least with one of those I can just get on & use it however I like, and experience some pleasure at all sorts of speeds. I really didn't consider I'd be put through such emotional turmoil and self humiliation when I bought the Falco, so my next purchase will be much more thoroughly and honestly considered. But thanks everyone for your input - certainly helps. The likely truth I guess is that I probably haven't grown out of the VFR just yet, so I'm sure it will serve me well until I've found the next, right bike.

what a load of pretentious bolox ''emotional turmoil and humiliation'',talents don;t warrant a falco!!''and you now want to down size to a used gs on a loan,go sort yourself out:augie
 
just google search discipline,humiliation and correctional clinics,just because you have a sports bike doesn't mean you have to try to get your knee down any more than having a GSA means you have to travel around the world but it makes trips across europe much easier:thumb2 and in my experience chics dig them,that whole skin tight leather arse in the air chasing each other around just seems a little homo erotic to me:augie,go away,work out how to get more money then buy any bike you want,an mv will really make you feel inadequate!
 
"Form follows function."

Look at that Ducati - there is nothing on it that doesn't serve the purpose of going round corners as quickly as possible. That purity of purpose creates something beautiful, which has become a design classic.

Now consider any GS, the purpose it was built for, and the form that has evolved over 30 years: it, too, is a thing of beauty, but for a different purpose to the Ducati.

I raced Ducatis, and since have had a VT1000, VFR800 (non-injected), Fazer 600 and my current F650GS twin.

The VFR was a capable bike, but heavy and wide after the lightweight Ducatis. Fitting soft luggage was a pain for short 2-up tours, with all that bodywork. Expensive to crash, but it had a 200-mile range, unlike the VT1000. The VT1000 suspension had to have attention before it worked properly, but what a stonking engine!

The Fazer I didn't like at all, because of the revs required to accellerate - I've always preferred torquey twins to buzzy fours - the VFR managed that just fine!

At first, the F650 felt like a bouncy pogo-stick with a chainsaw attached, but it rewards smooth riding, is superbly balanced, even 2-up with luggage, and the steering geometry and front wheel size means it feels "planted" in the wet and over poor surfaces, when a sportier bike* would have you flexing your sphincter... and the GS can carry loads of stuff!

(*NB: remember I'm 10 years behind the times when it comes to cutting-edge sport bikes...)

So yes, it will suit your riding style, you will grow to love it, and you will be out there in all weathers, when the race-reps are tucked up in their centrally-heated garages...
 
Finally, to those that have swapped from the VFR, is there any of the VFR’s sportish, slimmer, lighter or sophisticated nature that you miss? Having never ridden a GS I can’t comment, but I get the feeling that I will have to acclimatise to the lack of any engine ‘rush’ and ride the GS in a different way. I know you can hussle these things so I guess I’ll still be getting my kicks, just in a different way. This is something I’ve learnt since riding the Falco. I actually prefer (or if you like, only have the skills) to ride smoothly and swiftly as opposed to fast & furious. I know the machine is irrelevant in most respects, but the VFR fitted my style of riding better than the Aprilia, and I will need the GS to fit too. As a fair few folk here have made the transition from a VFR to a GS, I guess it’s likely to – but I could be wrong ??

Rene

uhm... what do I miss about the VFR.... the lighting setup, excellent dashboard and zero oil usage.

What I don't miss are:
riding position.
chain (with all the gunk, topping up the scottoiler) - tension adjusting.
Lack of usable torque - weedy as heck 2up.
plastic clip fasteners
Mirrors that break at the stem (I actually broke one in my hand whilst trying to get leverage to pick the VFR up)
No sticky-out cylinders to protect the bike when it falls over/rolls off the side-stand.
Discovering the centre stand bolt had gone for a burton as there's no locking nut.
Heated grips that seem to fail every 25K.
The mounting lugs in the rear-subframe for the rear top box carrier come away over time/after a few knocks; leaving you in Germany wondering what the heck to do next.
Fuses.
Plastic fairings.

Also the GS is better at forest type tracks than the VFR!

I could go on.

Weight? IIRC the VTEC and are GS basically the same, though the GS is the easier bike to shift around.


Disclaimer:
I had a boxer engined bike before the VFR so I always missed the boxer's torque and low revving nature to be honest.
 
doesn't mean you have to try to get your knee down any more than having a GSA means you have to travel around the world but it makes trips across europe much easier

Good point. It would be interesting to do a comparison between all sorts of bikes to see which are used most. I get the impression that the GS is probably responsible for more miles ridden than almost any other bike - regardless of Ewan & Charlie's contribution. It's certainly that complete useability that is so impressive about the GS, regardless of how long/what terrain the journey. I've always had a bike as my main form of transport, and having to use a Ducati 900SS & Guzzi LeMans as daily transport back in the 80's obviously warped me brain. So much so, that I thought the LeMans a perfectly useable bike through London!. The madness of youth eh:D
 
Sven - thanks for the comparison. I've read a few of your comments here & on the VFR Bikersoracle and I appreciate you're a pretty quick rider. If the GS only come second to the K1200S it will satisfy my desire fro grunt that's for sure.

Cherokee - KTM990SMT - nice - now if only I could afford one :D

JPB - yes, I appreciate it's only subjective, and I do actually think the 1200 looks the biz. I didn't mean to offend any here and I'm in no way saying my opinion is right. It's just that I know I have a bias towards the aesthetic proportions of sport & sport tourer bikes but maybe that's because I'm not looking with an open mind??? Hence the post.

Not offended at all, Renevator! For some the GS is an acquired taste, for others (like me) it was love at first sight! Although GSs are very different to your current sports/sport tourer preference, I think that after a period of riding the 'schnell panzer' you would definitely come to love its distinctive looks. :beerjug:
 
Good point. It would be interesting to do a comparison between all sorts of bikes to see which are used most. I get the impression that the GS is probably responsible for more miles ridden than almost any other bike - regardless of Ewan & Charlie's contribution. It's certainly that complete useability that is so impressive about the GS, regardless of how long/what terrain the journey. I've always had a bike as my main form of transport, and having to use a Ducati 900SS & Guzzi LeMans as daily transport back in the 80's obviously warped me brain. So much so, that I thought the LeMans a perfectly useable bike through London!. The madness of youth eh:D

forget the fat actors:ymca,i was put off buying a GSA for years because of them,they are just really good if some what flawed bikes, unlike anything else on the market,and if anyone says ducati then i'll reply winter roads,guzzi through london?,why not,you can also ride a c90 around the world,probably be better than most if not all adv bikes,but you will look like a purple helmet doing it!,in short buy what you like,ride what you've got
 
For what its worth I have just returned from Italy and 75% of the bikes on the roads there (Itallian registered, not Euro visitors) were BMW GS's (not GSA's), rest mix of BMW RT1200's, a few Jap superbikes and obviously lots of scooters. Didn't see one Ducati, Guzzi on the roads in a week. My best friend has a Ducati sports bike, really looks and sounds nice but as an all round bike, no way. Always stopping for fuel, borrowing my panniers or complaining of the riding position.

Try a GS, definately test ride one and good luck whatever you buy. I have a GSA, love it.
 


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