bumpmuncher
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lifted this from http://www.essexbikers.co.uk/index.php thought it may be worth passing on dont see toomany GS's filtering furiously but there are a few
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lifted this from http://www.essexbikers.co.uk/index.php thought it may be worth passing on dont see toomany GS's filtering furiously but there are a few
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When I see people filtering at high relative speeds it makes me cringe, so I think this effort is sensible really. 
bumpmuncher
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yes i still have a fecked up shoulder from being taken out while filtering in '92 
young and in a rush, dont rush anymore on the bike with my little permanent reminder
young and in a rush, dont rush anymore on the bike with my little permanent remindertreedoc
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Filtiring
What is the concensos for filtiring speeds above traffic speed and from a legal point is it a points issue ?
What is the concensos for filtiring speeds above traffic speed and from a legal point is it a points issue ?
There was a stated case about three years ago reported in MCN where a court found a biker not guilty of careless driving for filtering in traffic. However, each case would be decided on its own circumstances, therefore I think it is fair to say that slow speed filtering would be alright whereas what the police considered to be excessive would find yourself getting points on your licence.
Basically there is no such thing as a set speed that is legal to filter, all contributing factors would have to be taken into consideration, i.e., speed of traffic flow, volume of traffic, type of road, weather conditions, speed of biker, etc.
mr badger
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I was advised by local bike police that they operate a 15 + 15 rule on filtering.
Stationery traffic - you do max 15 mph
Traffic at 15 mph - you add on 15 mph
Traffic at 30 mph - don't filter.
Makes sense to me as you can stop in a really small distance from 15 and you are never moving at greater than 15 mph faster than the traffic.
Opinions?
Stationery traffic - you do max 15 mph
Traffic at 15 mph - you add on 15 mph
Traffic at 30 mph - don't filter.
Makes sense to me as you can stop in a really small distance from 15 and you are never moving at greater than 15 mph faster than the traffic.
Opinions?
GeoffC
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Very sensible responses to this. If it's done at high speed then its not `filtering`, it's called something else. I think its all about what is `reasonable` as MIKA said. If the traffic is flowing close to the speed limit then there'd be little sympathy for the biker. Interesting how other countries view this one though. I was in California and was filtering on a jammed LA freeway. A motorcycle CHiP cop spoke to me and said he could see my point but advised that it tends to piss off car drivers, some of whom had been known to snap off the odd shot from a .38 special. I didn't filter anymore. Personally, I've noticed a shift in attitudes over recent years and if the traffic is slow and heavy and I'm being `reasonable`, `Joe car driver` frequently makes a bit more room - with the odd exception who we all know about and watch out for.
Gonzo
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Good to see that Essex police have got their bike force back on the roads again.
When I did my Bikesafe course 3 or 4 years ago, they had NO patrol bikes and no bike officers except those that had been on the bikes before it was wound down. The liveried Hondas they were riding for the course were Honda demo bikes, not in active service. Didn't stop them persuading some cage drivers that they were real though.....
The A127 needs all the help it can get. Just about every cage driver has their brain removed when they get on that road, feckin' hate it.
When I did my Bikesafe course 3 or 4 years ago, they had NO patrol bikes and no bike officers except those that had been on the bikes before it was wound down. The liveried Hondas they were riding for the course were Honda demo bikes, not in active service. Didn't stop them persuading some cage drivers that they were real though.....
The A127 needs all the help it can get. Just about every cage driver has their brain removed when they get on that road, feckin' hate it.
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Travel in NL
Well if your traveling through the Netherlands the law states:
You can filter but only in between two lanes (not on the inside or outside median/emergency lanes) and only when the traffic is traveling below 40km/h and you are not traveling/filtering more than 10km/h faster than the traffic. I filter every day and the cage controller's attitudes are very good so I like to keep the good will, and behave. (That and a smattering of not wanting to total myself.
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Well if your traveling through the Netherlands the law states:
You can filter but only in between two lanes (not on the inside or outside median/emergency lanes) and only when the traffic is traveling below 40km/h and you are not traveling/filtering more than 10km/h faster than the traffic. I filter every day and the cage controller's attitudes are very good so I like to keep the good will, and behave. (That and a smattering of not wanting to total myself.
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STUBBS
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Good to see that Essex police have got their bike force back on the roads again.
When I did my Bikesafe course 3 or 4 years ago, they had NO patrol bikes and no bike officers except those that had been on the bikes before it was wound down. The liveried Hondas they were riding for the course were Honda demo bikes, not in active service. Didn't stop them persuading some cage drivers that they were real though.....
The A127 needs all the help it can get. Just about every cage driver has their brain removed when they get on that road, feckin' hate it.
isnt that the county of the interceptors
In 'Not the Blue Book' it says filtering up to 30 mph is acceptable. Beyond that you leave yourself open to careless driving.
However that's sort of rule of thumb, it depends very much on the circumstances at the time. And if you take a cop by surprise when you filter past him, just hope he doesn't need his detection numbers increased...
However that's sort of rule of thumb, it depends very much on the circumstances at the time. And if you take a cop by surprise when you filter past him, just hope he doesn't need his detection numbers increased...
stinkyfeet
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isnt that the county of the interceptors
Yeah, and IME the Interceptors shift out the way happily when filtering on the A127. Personally I disagree that the A127 is full of nasty car drivers; I've always found the A127 in rush hour or late at night one of the best roads for bike-aware drivers making room for you (in various ways). Darn sight better than the A1, miserable buggers on the A1, reminds me of Belgium.
