potential newbie - question

[trainman]

having had a KTM and a couple of GS.s I am looking to go back to an adventure machine and the Yam's boring reliability could be just what I need for year round use

have seen some comments on brakes, can anyone confirm -

ABS cannot be switched off but will deactivate if rear used before front (its not in the manual I got hold of?)
brakes are linked?

MPG around town, allegedly not as good as other big twins


thanks

 

[Peak-Park]

I have just purchased a new ST10 ES and others with more miles may chime in but this is what i believe

1st.
ABS is on all the time no matter how you use the brakes, BUT there is a way of switching it off by putting the bike on the center stand engaging a gear and fooling the bike into what it thinks is a error with the ABS system thus no ABS.

2nd.
The brakes are linked, BUT if you put the back brake on first and keep off the front the brakes don't link and you can step the back out if you desire.

3rd.
As for milage i have not done enough yet to say high 40's at a guess.

 

[MIKE R]

having had a KTM and a couple of GS.s I am looking to go back to an adventure machine and the Yam's boring reliability could be just what I need for year round use

have seen some comments on brakes, can anyone confirm -

ABS cannot be switched off but will deactivate if rear used before front (its not in the manual I got hold of?)
brakes are linked?

MPG around town, allegedly not as good as other big twins


thanks

I think the only way to switch off the ABS is to remove the ABS motor fuse. I suppose if you're clued up on electronics it shouldn't be too difficult to set up a by-pass with a switch on the handlebars. Unfortunately I could be talking absolute tosh!

Just found this:-
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=733.0

Around town expect low to mid 40s, which should increase by about 10mph on a good run.

Yes the S10 is super reliable but I would not call it boring. One test ride is often not enough to 'get it'. I have more than one bike (including my old friend, an 1150GS) and I really enjoy riding it. It's the kind of bike that slowly grows on you as the miles increase, like the old GSes used to do.

IMHO it's the most under-rated bike on the British market at the moment.

Mike

 

[trainman]

thanks for the replies - a test ride is due

 

[glenn2926]

I am also looking to change the bike soon. Been looking at the S10 as well. There are a few about at the right money with very low mileages on them. I think it will have to be the world crosser version as this seems to come with a lot of the extras I would like. A few on here have had theirs a while now it would be good to hear how they are getting on with them. Final drives (no don't laugh), switch gear, clutches etc.

 

[MIKE R]

I'm on my second.

The first was the dealers demo that I kept for 12 months, putting about 10k on it. In April 2013 traded it in at the same dealer for a Worldcrosser. This has now completed 15k and taken me down to Greece, Corsica and Lake Garda.

It's used no oil and has returned about 54mpg on those trips. Apart from a rear wheel puncture it has never let me down. It did have a recall about 6 months when they replaced the headlight wiring harness although the mechanic said mine was perfect.

Mike

 

[glenn2926]

Thanks Mike that is great to hear. The more I hear about them the more I like them.

 

[Garry H]

I have had mine just over 6 months
I have found the fuel economy very good and often see mid 50's
The ABS is excellent and works well on the slippy stuff ...I was wondering about turning it off when I first got the bike but
after a few tests on wet grass I think it works very well and have no desire to disable it anymore
A very underrated bike and reliability is in a different different league to the newer BMW's

 

[ZED 1000]

I have over the last 2 months been looking closely at buying a Kawasaki Versys 1000, delayed my decision with the imminent arrival of the “face lifted” version, not able to decide between a used V1 which stands to be devalued once the V2s are out on the road in numbers, or to buy a brand new V2 and suffer the depredation in its first couple of years.
Recently got to chat with a local guy who’s just ordered a new S10 for March 1st, this chat got me thinking and reading up on them, previously I had not looked at the S10 due to its high price when launched I had not realised that Yamaha had realigned the price by so much.
I found a new unregistered pre 14 model which looked like a good deal at £9k to be registered new on 1st March, now again I find myself with the same question as with the Versys V1 and V2, what’s your opinion on the pre 14 bikes against the new updated S10, what will I be missing .
In truth both bikes would do what I need and each has its plus points over the other, I prefer alloy wheels over spoke, shaft over chain, looks of the S10 slightly better than the V2 Versys, 17” front wheel over the 19”, lower end can placement over the high level (for better pannier fitment) . Cant say at this point which bike I will choose.

 

[GS Bloke]

I've had my S10 for a few years now and put approx. 30k on the clock inc some quite narly off roading (fully loaded) in Spain, river crossings, steep tracks, with no issues at all, highly recommended,




ps, personally I hate huggers

 

[MIKE R]

I test rode a 2014 ZE and compared it to my 2013 Worldcrosser.

This is the report I wrote on the Super Tenere forum:-

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=13810.msg218112#msg218112

If it we me I'd test ride them both, consider the price difference and make a decision from there.

Mike

 

[Ban_6]

having had a KTM and a couple of GS.s I am looking to go back to an adventure machine and the Yam's boring reliability could be just what I need for year round use

have seen some comments on brakes, can anyone confirm -

ABS cannot be switched off but will deactivate if rear used before front (its not in the manual I got hold of?)
brakes are linked?

MPG around town, allegedly not as good as other big twins

thanks

I am also looking to change the bike soon. Been looking at the S10 as well. There are a few about at the right money with very low mileages on them. I think it will have to be the world crosser version as this seems to come with a lot of the extras I would like. A few on here have had theirs a while now it would be good to hear how they are getting on with them. Final drives (no don't laugh), switch gear, clutches etc.

There has only been one recall on the S10 afaik, and that was a wiring harness at the back of the headlight, heat arching was the issue. Dont go on what some of the 'mericuns say, you wouldnt know what was truth and what wasnt with them.

Ive had mine since last qtr of 2012, my only gripe, battery went dead about 2 months ago, despite me using it every day. I just put it down to being a sh!t heap yuasa. Doesnt have the balls for twins or para-twins imo.

Get out and test ride one, make up your mind then. These bikes handle so good, its almost ridiculous, and im not just saying that. Toe sliding is a doddle and they can hustle when you need. I would put in an aftermarket rear shock if you are a more quicker rider and into twisty roads.

I have over the last 2 months been looking closely at buying a Kawasaki Versys 1000, delayed my decision with the imminent arrival of the “face lifted” version, not able to decide between a used V1 which stands to be devalued once the V2s are out on the road in numbers, or to buy a brand new V2 and suffer the depredation in its first couple of years.
Recently got to chat with a local guy who’s just ordered a new S10 for March 1st, this chat got me thinking and reading up on them, previously I had not looked at the S10 due to its high price when launched I had not realised that Yamaha had realigned the price by so much.
I found a new unregistered pre 14 model which looked like a good deal at £9k to be registered new on 1st March, now again I find myself with the same question as with the Versys V1 and V2, what’s your opinion on the pre 14 bikes against the new updated S10, what will I be missing .
In truth both bikes would do what I need and each has its plus points over the other, I prefer alloy wheels over spoke, shaft over chain, looks of the S10 slightly better than the V2 Versys, 17” front wheel over the 19”, lower end can placement over the high level (for better pannier fitment) . Cant say at this point which bike I will choose.

If you were inclined to be a more sporty rider, buy the versys. Plenty of pep in the S10, but the versys would have a few more oomph under the seat. You could "thrash" it more. It also depends what you want to with the bike. I dont find it underpowered / slow of particularly heavy on juice. I wouldnt buy the versys over an S10, there aint nout wrong with the versys either.

 

[Rasher]

Mine is 3 years old and approaching 20k and has been brilliant. Fuel consumption was nigh on identical to my 2008GS, and is now a shade better since I had an ECU Flash.

£9k for a new 2013 model sounds like an awesome deal, but I would probably stretch another £1k for a base 2015 model if one could be found for £10k as it is a shade smoother and either has the 1-3rd gear restrictions removed, or at the very least reduced to a point they do not really bother anyone.

But £9k for one of these on a new plate makes it a real bargain.

 

[Monty]

I love my S10 more all the time, and mine is approaching 3 years old now.

Every time I look at other options (KTM, BMW etc) I conclude that whilst they may be faster and more agile they would not do anything better for me than the S10 does. In bad weather in the mountains or other tricky conditions it feels so solid, unflappable and really inspires confidence. I loved the lighter weight of the KTM 1190 I took for a test, but back in the real world of dustbin-sized panniers, Mrs Monty on board for 2 weeks etc I would rarely make use of the higher end of the performance envelope.

I agree with Mr Rasher in that if you can get a new base model for £10k that would be a better option than a NOS 2013 for £9k. I have a reflash on mine as it was not great to ride in the lower gears. Now it is far more punchy. If you factor the £350 cost of this on your £9k bike you are shuffling closer to 2015 money. Residuals are not great on the S10, and the 2013 model will I suspect lose more money out of the showroom than the latest one simply because it is a 2013.

A year ago I was about to chop it in for the KTM, but now I suspect it will be more of a keeper.

Matt

 

[FatAl]

Wigan Yamaha are selling new 2014 standard models just over £10k otr. I picked up my new blue one last Friday, I'm very pleased and impressed, it feels so much lighter than my old Stelvio despite them weighing much the same, the S10 does seem to have quite a low centre of gravity in comparison. I can't comment on performance yet as still running in and the weather has been very icy here the last few days. This bike has proven to be extremely reliable so far

I had been tempted to go for a new Ducati Multistrada (they look gorgeous) or a new KTM 1190, but the Yam won it for it's reputation for reliability, relative ease and cost of servicing, shaft drive, and I find it very comfy. At the end of the day I just don't need 150bhp or 150mph performance. I'm sure the S10 has enough go for me.

 

[Rasher]

Fatal and Monty are spot-on.

I got over 10% more power and a bit more revability up top with Arrow headers and an ECU Flash which cost me £500.

The cost to "trade up" to a KTM1190 / LC GS etc would be about the same as buying myself an brand new MT-09 and keeping the S10 (or taking 3 months off work and riding off somewhere far away) or if i wanted speed I could go and get an immaculate low mileage ZZR1400 for the odd blast of speed)

More likely keep most of my cash in my pocket and just get a small adventure / large trail bike, more than likely an XT660 of some sort.

 

[Packer]

Mine was new November 13 and virtually unused until I sold my old 1150GS in spring 14. Why get salt on the new one? I only got around to putting 3,000 odd miles on it as I was busy with a new house last year. The headlamp loom replacement was, as far as I can make out, a result of people putting higher power lamps in the headlight units. I've put a pair of 35 watt HID's on mine so reduced the power draw. I've got the replacement wiring but haven't bothered to fit it. The lights are very good, especially after a GS as you have two units on continually with a solenoid controlled shutter to dip them.

Utterly reliable, better on fuel than an 1150GS and so much faster as to have caught me out a couple of times when I've not really been concentrating and found myself going way faster than I thought in very little time. I've fitted crashbars, a bigger/better sump guard and Vern's Worldbeater panniers. Pictures here.

 

[trainman]

I am assuming when ECU flash is mentioned this is done by someone other than the dealer? if so do Yamaha not offer map upgrades as would be normal as they get feedback on the engine etc

seems regular with BMW GS and Aprilia for instance - my Aprilia seems to have had an update yearly by the dealer.

 

[Rasher]

I am assuming when ECU flash is mentioned this is done by someone other than the dealer?

Yes, a few options out there, well worth it on earlier bikes to remove huge restrictions in first 3 gears, probably worth doing on 2014 on-wards to improve on Euro emission Friendly stock maps, especially if you can get a custom flash done on a dyno.

Yamaha do not update maps like BMW and Aprillia like to, in fact I have never known anyone get a map update on a Jap bike - even when they do make a (rare) mistake, for example the MT-09 which got alted in reviews, for the new Tracer they have updated maps but are not offering updates for customers.

With the S10 the dealer has no way of altering the mapping, or being able to tell if you have either