Power Commander 5 and Auto Tune 300

Popell said:
Don't take this the wrong way but it does sound to me that you will save yourself some significant time if you enlist the help of a professional.
If, like me you want to have a go yourself, I think you need to do some reading up of the basics before applying values that may cause some irreparable damage.
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i hear what your saying but I and the pc5/at300 are here at the moment and i want to go for a decent (500+ mile) ride tomorrow so id like to make sure i dont blow the fecker up :rolleyes:

So until such time as i manage to get a pro to tune the bastich, 13.2 ought to be OK?
 
I'm pretty sure mines faulty...The autotune that is. Came back of a run today only to find no trim data
Going to phone dynojet Monday and hopefully its an international warranty otherwise its back to Germany :-(
 
14.7 is the the theoretical perfect ratio. To get more power you have to burn more fuel so a lot of tuners drop it into the 13's. If you look at dynojets videos they have it at 13.2 to 13.6 in the lower revs for power and increase it in the cruising range. It's very much suck and see without a dyno.
 
MWH said:
14.7 is the the theoretical perfect ratio. To get more power you have to burn more fuel so a lot of tuners drop it into the 13's. If you look at dynojets videos they have it at 13.2 to 13.6 in the lower revs for power and increase it in the cruising range. It's very much suck and see without a dyno.
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Sounds legit. I'm not looking for super power I'm just looking for smooth power and as fuel efficient as possible. I suspect this is only going to happen at a tuners.

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lmg said:
Sounds legit. I'm not looking for super power I'm just looking for smooth power and as fuel efficient as possible. I suspect this is only going to happen at a tuners.

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Thats why i didn't bother with the Auto-tune kit. My local Dynojet centre is only 50 miles away so a good excuse to get out and do a back to back comparison. I will try and get before and after graphs and post em on here once its done.
 
I see from Jordans tuning services website

"Every motorcycle is different, as they are all just machines, built to acceptable tolerance levels by the manufacturers, and built to satisfy stringent worldwide emmissions laws. Although manufacturers build tolerances are good, they are not perfect, and so ten identical bikes will actually put out ten different power outputs, and so we offer a truly bespoke tuning service, to get the most out of your individual bike. For the perfect ignition burn, you need a ration of 1 part fuel to 14.2 parts air. Very few bikes are actually running this exact ratio straight out of the factory, and so we can tune it to a far better ratio for you. If you fit a hi flow air filter (eg K & N) or an aftermarket exhaust, it can cause your bike to run lean which means too much air going in for the amount of fuel, so the ignition is not as great as it could be, as the ratio has changed. Re-jetting or a Power Commander will remedy this, and give you greater power and torque, and better rideability."
 
The BMW ECU can compensate for some changes to exhaust or air filter. But the fuel map runs weak by default so a new map or PC can sort that out.
 
Spoke to a couple of tuners (including Jordans) and the result is that autotune ough to be doing the job. The only thing they recommended was to check at was set up correctly (even though I offered to pay for custom tune). Cost suggested was £35-45 quid to do this.

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lmg said:
Spoke to a couple of tuners (including Jordans) and the result is that autotune ough to be doing the job. The only thing they recommended was to check at was set up correctly (even though I offered to pay for custom tune). Cost suggested was £35-45 quid to do this.

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Just read through your thread. I've helped a lot of people set up Autotune on PC V even though I don't have one. You're not going to do any damage but there are some sensible places to start.

From experience setting up the Innovate LC-1 and LC-2 and installing AF-XIEDs (which will do what you want without all the fuss of a PC V, and leave your BMSK fully functional, meaning it will still run Closed Loop), here is what I recommend:

Leave the 0 TPS line all zeros, Autotune doesn't work well there.

Set the entire table below 30 degrees throttle to 13.8:1, that is plenty rich enough for great running.
Above 30 degrees, set the AFR in decreasing steps from 13.8 to 12.9 at WOT. You won't run enough at high throttle angles for Autotune to do much unless you really ride hard and fast.

Make sure that you analyze all autotune values before accepting them. Often you will find unreasonable large values, and positive and negative values in adjacent cells. That's not likely to be right. Smooth the values of adjacent cells and question those that don't look right. For instance if you need 30% more fuel to hit 13.8:1, that is likely way off.
RB
 
Have a look at what im getting?
Bike running and no AFR data coming back to the software...I've never seen auto tune start working yet im getting trim data sometimes.
Any Ideas before I take it off the bike?

https://youtu.be/dBUJhy8fbfo
 
The only thing I can suggest is taking it to a local tuners and get them to check your setup. sure it will cost some money but I very much doubt the kit is duff.

Sorry

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lmg said:
The only thing I can suggest is taking it to a local tuners and get them to check your setup. sure it will cost some money but I very much doubt the kit is duff.

Sorry

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I suspect the same but under DSR im sure im able to send it back for a full refund if not ill sell the autotune on here or ebay

Ive just stripped it off my bike and booked the bike in to Ecosse dynotech for a week today for a custom map and be done with it.
 
cammy5477 said:
I suspect the same but under DSR im sure im able to send it back for a full refund if not ill sell the autotune on here or ebay

Ive just stripped it off my bike and booked the bike in to Ecosse dynotech for a week today for a custom map and be done with it.
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You've chosen the PC V and Autotune so I don't want to push the point too hard but since you could still return it I want to mention that a dual AF-Xied setup from beemerboneyard/Nightrider will richen your mixture nicely, improve throttle response and will work in concert with your BMSK to do it all automatically. A custom map can't richen the cruise AFR which is governed by the O2 sensor.

Here is one report and the dyno results taken before and after:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=23313008#post23313008

Seven posts, this is the last one on the R1200
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23512119&postcount=727

It will cost a fraction of dyno time.
 
The BMSK is the engine management ECU.
+1 for the AF-Xied`s :thumb2.
I have spent thousands of miles playing with PC V & Autotune and never been totally happy.
All my results are logged road data with innovate LM2 and GS911 not seat of the pants or it feels better.
 
+1 Like mistacat said, BMSK is the fueling and spark advance computer for the R1200 and other BMW motorcycles.

The older Oilheads use the Bosch Motronic fueling & spark computer.

One of the points of my earlier remark is that lambda-shifting is a way to get your BMSK to do all the work of mixture richening on its own.
 
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