R1100 Abs lights and failed MOT, Future advice

[trinituner]

Well not had this issue but a friend very nearly did until last weekend when I finally fixed an ABS fault due to a bad wire on the front wheel sensor, but it's the question of ABS warning lights and failing a MOT.


Now in (my) experience, granted from years ago that a bike could pass if no warning light was seen (dependent on MOT testers mood), another example is if you have a track bike or similar with no indicators fitted you was requested to put tape over the switch "to show it was not active".

So in theory could a bulb be removed for the test esp as the brakes are not affected on the 1100's when the ABS does not work and it would be able to get a pass????? ("was" this the case???)..

But having been in ear shot of a conversation yesterday it seems that a MOT tech now has to actually actively see if the ABS is doing it's job.
No idea how as I doubt they will test ride?? and every system is different..

Now I know we can have a thread about if ABS is fitted then it should be maintained regardless but having looked at a very high number of adverts for r1100's of late it is staggering to see just how many have ABS warning light issues.

So is this due to the new Euro 4 stuff and have testers been given new guidelines???, does this mean that if you have a R1100 with a faulty ABS unit that you will not get a pass on a MOT if the lights are not on show or flashing correctly to signal correct operation???. If that is the case and with R1100 ABS components not being the cheapest things in the world it would almost right off a good deal of bikes that where unable to get MOTed esp if used parts become scarce...

So if that is the case (very happy to hear from the experts on this) I would guess that the ABS system if not cost effective to repair would have to be removed and standard lines fitted to get yourself road legal again?..

I am not trying to make this a "is ABS worth it thread" but as these bikes get older and older and more and more seem to have these issues I think clear information would be great, so if you have had ABS warning issues what happened when you went for the MOT, esp if it was very recent.

I know when I had mine done last year the tester who seemed well versed with BMW's just verbally asked me if my ABS lights went out when moving which they do as my system is fine (runs around touching lots of wood) so it was something then that was asked?..

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Dunno
Interesting topic
If in future they enter the vin to the mot database and it shows the bike was originally manufactured with abs and it has been removed at some later time - what would happen then?

 

[trinituner]

Dunno
Interesting topic
If in future they enter the vin to the mot database and it shows the bike was originally manufactured with abs and it has been removed at some later time - what would happen then?

God knows but it is something I think that needs to be clear, I can understand a straight fail on a R1150 as it is my understanding that if the ABS is fecked then the brakes are effected drastically.. But it does throw a question regarding machines that have a fully working "regular" braking system with a failed ABS aid that thanks to our EU overlords could very well be put out to scrap because of it no longer being economical to repair.

I really look forward to peoples take on this..

 

[Tractors are go]

Having just mot'd my R1100R today; this issue came up.

As bike's with bosch abs require the wheel to turn before abs warning deactivates would it fail if abs warning light was flashing ?

Answer was no, whilst doing the brake test, light should deactivate. But as he is unable to do roadtest to activate abs how would he know if it is actually working or not.

My old audi S2 had switchable abs, iirc the owners manual used to advise abs didn't work under 8mph.

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[trinituner]

My tester although not really interested was fully aware of what a working BMW ABS light sequence was and simple asked if it went out when moving.

I have seen lights that stay on, or flash alternate, this will be a indicator that the ABS is not working!.. I think the ABS test is tested on the bike around 3 mph, I have done it whilst pushing the bike in the garage before.

 

[Wreford Miles]

My Hexhead ABS does not work until the bike gets going and the MOT rollers don't get it going enough so the warning light stays on

 

[trinituner]

My Hexhead ABS does not work until the bike gets going and the MOT rollers don't get it going enough so the warning light stays on

I guess in the correct sequence of both lights flashing at the same time?...


Has anyone had a bike tested with alternate lights flashing or one stationery light???.

Or no lights showing for that matter..

 

[Rugged Path]

Wait till Euro 5 hits the street. All major working parts will be chipped and synced with the ECU which will have a memory that will notify 'big brother' at the test station that it had or has been altered.


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[Steptoe]

God knows but it is something I think that needs to be clear, I can understand a straight fail on a R1150 as it is my understanding that if the ABS is fecked then the brakes are effected drastically.. But it does throw a question regarding machines that have a fully working "regular" braking system with a failed ABS aid that thanks to our EU overlords could very well be put out to scrap because of it no longer being economical to repair.

I really look forward to peoples take on this..

You've posted lots of misinformation based on guesswork and hearsay. So close the thread before it adds even more confusion.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Perhaps with more stringent MOT testing going forward and in the pipeline, then bikes will come under ever increasing scrutiny

This may render a different test procedure where abs when originally fitted and cats etc must work and be present & correct in future years
My bike MOT tester tells me that there is a lot of new stuff coming down the tracks from the DVSA (or whatever they are called now) with new testing equipment being introduced in the next 5-10 years and a proper short 'road' test is not beyond the realms if reality, added to the current static test procedure

 

[roamer]

The fault memory could be used in a serious accident ,

 

[Steptoe]

Perhaps with more stringent MOT testing going forward and in the pipeline, then bikes will come under ever increasing scrutiny

This may render a different test procedure where abs when originally fitted and cats etc must work and be present & correct in future years
My bike MOT tester tells me that there is a lot of new stuff coming down the tracks from the DVSA (or whatever they are called now) with new testing equipment being introduced in the next 5-10 years and a proper short 'road' test is not beyond the realms if reality, added to the current static test procedure

Mostly concerning emissions. New rules aren't usually retrospective. Road tests are a legal minefield with liability and H&S issues and won't happen.

The fault memory could be used in a serious accident ,

Faults aren't dated. Fault could have been logged due to the accident.

 

[Tractors are go]

A roadtest IS still part of the MOT if the tester decides too. My mot tester always roadtests my CB250RS because he likes riding it !

How you can check on a roadtest if the abs is working safely, I don't know. I will leave it to far more knowledgeable on here than I

I am unaware of any test criteria being retrospective; my 105E doesn't have seatbelts and wouldn't meet any emissions criteria (apart from the no smoke bit) the steerbox is sloppy compared to a rack and pinion, also it has one spot/one fog light.

How will my H100S11 get through any emissions testing, it's a two stroke ?

Most MOT testers are sensible and reasonable, or perhaps I've just be lucky the past 40 years.

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[JohnnyBoxer]

Mostly concerning emissions. New rules aren't usually retrospective. Road tests are a legal minefield with liability and H&S issues and won't happen.

Maybe more coming down the tracks, along the lines of TuV...............the Govt don't want old and unroadworthy vehicles on the roads and certainly manufacturers don't

Who knows that future, but dash warning lights are a hot topic on cars, which the same rules could easily be part of the bike MOT

 

[Tractors are go]

That'll be the consultation to extended the mot regime from 3-1 to 4-2 which was the government preferred option.

Reducing red tape etc.

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[slalom]

If it's of any interest my R1150 GS (2000) has passed MOT for 5 years with alternate flashing lights with 2 different testers.
What that proves, if anything, I've no idea.

S

 

[trinituner]

As Steptoe points out if i have posted lots of misinformation based on my basic understanding then i request the thread be closed...


Good day...

thread closed by myself due to lack of knowledge on subject matter[B