I actually love them, but not quite as much as my GSA. That’s the problem for me, they’re hell expensive and my GSA blows it away with Sargent seat and wind protection. I’m attracted to the whole minimalist element of them with a dry bag and a Kriega Messenger bag…………but if honest, I still prefer my 9 year old GSA with all it’s creature comforts and the money in my bank account