R1300 ASA in auto mode, drops down 2 gears on acceleration ?

[GrinningGSer]

As per title, I ask this question and that's because the GSA ASA that I test rode DID NOT
However the newly released R1300RT ASA has been demonstrated ( Youtube) , in Auto mode, to immediately drop 2 gears when accelerating.
Does your ASA do this and if so, how new is the build?
Maybe its only a feature on the RT
Maybe I had a duff GSA ASA
Maybe its coming to new builds
I asked in the dealers and they didn't seem to know.

 

[botus]

Automated gear shifting
ECO: Automated gear shifting for high efficiency.
RAIN, ROAD, ENDURO and ENDURO PRO: Optimum automated gear shifting.
DYNAMIC and DYNAMIC PRO: Automated gear shifting for maximum propulsion.
DYNAMIC PRO and ENDURO PRO: Automated gear shifting can be adjusted individually

 

[GrinningGSer]

Please translate : don’t understand your answer botus

 

[zoltan]

As per title, I ask this question and that's because the GSA ASA that I test rode DID NOT

I had a test ride on the GS ASA and it did drop gear. Had to be slightly aggressive with the throttle (a bit like in a car when you kickdown) but it works.
What Botus is saying is that you can adjust how the Auto responds in the settings. The dealer should expand on this.

 

[botus]

Please translate : don’t understand your answer botus

can't help that's DIRECT from the owners manual - not me

they now put an engineering section later to TRY and explain things to generation x that got an education, (the issue comes from the lemmings that no longer understand what they are doing, and with no education can't explain what they were trying to achieve either)

the earlier section is for the three year olds.... AKA this is a motorbike a form or transport unlike the one mummy took you to school in - please ask your mother's permission before starting the bike - be aware riding a motorcycle is not the same as gaming on your tracking device - using this puts you on governments hit lists of subversives, etc.

 

[pbbanks]

As per title, I ask this question and that's because the GSA ASA that I test rode DID NOT
However the newly released R1300RT ASA has been demonstrated ( Youtube) , in Auto mode, to immediately drop 2 gears when accelerating.
Does your ASA do this and if so, how new is the build?
Maybe its only a feature on the RT
Maybe I had a duff GSA ASA
Maybe its coming to new builds
I asked in the dealers and they didn't seem to know.

It varies, depends on current mode\speed \gear\ throttle opening \incline etc. etc.

 

[GrinningGSer]

I’m trying to determine if this is a new ASA feature or something that’s always been there, when in different drive mode settings . Seems maybe it’s the latter and explains why I haven’t experienced it .

 

[pbbanks]

I’m trying to determine if this is a new ASA feature or something that’s always been there, when in different drive mode settings . Seems maybe it’s the latter and explains why I haven’t experienced it .

Put it in dynamic mode, plod along in D & 6th gear at a slow speed (30 mph), then suddenly open the throttle fully . It should then change down a gear or two .
Do the same in Road Mode & it probably will too.

 

[GrinningGSer]

Thanks pbbanks; I didn’t try dynamic mode

 

[botus]

I read the RT manual last night too - actually gave less info on ASA, none mentioned downshift behaviour, indeed it was only later (further into the Eng section) it mentions shift performance changes under info for Rider modes - which is what I posted in #2 (red font explains what they meant)

ECO: Automated gear shifting for high efficiency. (aka goes up the box quickly and doesn't really bother with downshifts)
RAIN, ROAD, ENDURO and ENDURO PRO: Optimum automated gear shifting. (suitable for grandad - almost changes down if you use large throttle application)
DYNAMIC and DYNAMIC PRO: Automated gear shifting for maximum propulsion. (if you're a bigger nutter than this brings - please use the gear lever)

automatics have always been a chilled out experience - smash the gear lever till the engine is at 6k - if you want to really rip it

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I also found this under ABS - which is not very well written either... I was aware when I got a 2016 GSA - ABS Pro does different things between rider modes - at the time I thought they meant ABS Pro ONLY operates under Dynamic Rider mode or higher.

Now written in the Eng section of the R1300 Manuals it says something I now understand is more likely - but its terribly written / misleading

ABS Pro
ECO, RAIN and ROAD: ABS Pro is fully available.
DYNAMIC and DYNAMIC PRO: The level of assistance provided by ABS Pro is reduced compared to ECO, RAIN and ROAD.

I think they've muddied the water explaining the rider benefits of the better Dynamic modes - I presume they mean, greater braking efficiency is provided in Dynamic Pro, but the risk of losing the front in a corner increases as a result

 

[GrinningGSer]

I’d suggest that greater braking efficiency , in different riding modes is complete marketing bollox.
Of course , abs , if activated , could reduce efficiency , but what I’m suggesting, I.e. increasing efficiency , on tarmac , in dynamic mode , must be tosh. Anyhow … now off topic .

 

[TaskMule]

I also found this under ABS - which is not very well written either... I was aware when I got a 2016 GSA - ABS Pro does different things between rider modes - at the time I thought they meant ABS Pro ONLY operates under Dynamic Rider mode or higher.

Now written in the Eng section of the R1300 Manuals it says something I now understand is more likely - but its terribly written / misleading



I think they've muddied the water explaining the rider benefits of the better Dynamic modes - I presume they mean, greater braking efficiency is provided in Dynamic Pro, but the risk of losing the front in a corner increases as a result

To clear the water a bit more. Dynamic Pro mode does not automatically reduce ABS intervention, it gives you the ability to increase or reduce ABS intervention.

 

[botus]

To clear the water a bit more. Dynamic Pro mode does not automatically reduce ABS intervention, it gives you the ability to increase or reduce ABS intervention.

meaning it brings its own settings menu to tweak the point at which it cuts in ?

 

[GrinningGSer]

OFF TOPIC

 

[botus]

OFF TOPIC

its a public forum, threads wander (its still pertinent info on how your bike works) - which you clearly don't seem to have asked about when picking it up - nor fully read the owners manual back to front twice

at least its keeping your thread up the list and you may thus get more people seeing it and contributing

 

[RallyeGS]

Grandad here. I’ve just bought a 1300GSA with ASA. I have a proper off road bike for really gnarly stuff and this bike is destined to spend its days as a road machine. Long tours, Arctic Circle, Eastern Europe stuff, no motorways, just major and minor roads. The ASA makes perfect sense for this in my humble opinion. Takes the strain, and helps to eat the miles. I’ve only done 200 miles on it so far across mixed roads and it behaves well. Bit lurchy in low gears 1-2 and 2-3 when changing up but after that it’s fine. ‘Kick down’ works as expected, it drops a gear (not two) when the throttle is opened up. You don’t need it to drop two as the 1300 lump is full of torque. When in manual mode, the gear selector goes up and down the box incredibly smoothly- without doubt the best quick shift on a BMW bike. It might not be the best off road, don’t care, it’ll never go into a situation off road where no having a clutch really matters. Everyday riding in the UK and Europe is where it will come into its own.

 

[stevekdavis]

If you snap open the throttle it does kick down one gear. Close it and snap it again it will drop another gear. It’s never dropped two gears.

Just winding on doesn’t drop, even in 6th it pulls very well.

If I want a quick overtake I usually just kick down a couple with the pedal. If I’m lazy I’ll quickly cut then snap the throttle.


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[mw3230]

What concerns me about this thread is the suggestion that ASA is not perfect. I was looking forward to it and whilst I’ve yet to have a test ride, there are many comments here and elsewhere which suggest the system is good but a little flawed.

Surely it should be silky smooth, changing imperceptibly when expected or when the riders actions warrant it. Too many reviewers compare it unfavourably to Honda’s DCT, which admittedly has had many years to be refined. However, the BMW engineers will have examined DCT and every other competitor in minute detail and will have known what they had to match (or beat) but they, as the top of the tree in terms of quality, still brought to market a product which demands of reviewers only qualified praise and comments which suggest the system if good in many but not all situations

Yes I’m disappointed, but as my mother used to say “only fools and children judge a job half done”. The thing is, I expect of BMW that it sells jobs fully, not half, done

And before you point it out, Yes, I should have a ride and make my own mind up

 

[pbbanks]

What concerns me about this thread is the suggestion that ASA is not perfect. I was looking forward to it and whilst I’ve yet to have a test ride, there are many comments here and elsewhere which suggest the system is good but a little flawed.

Surely it should be silky smooth, changing imperceptibly when expected or when the riders actions warrant it. Too many reviewers compare it unfavourably to Honda’s DCT, which admittedly has had many years to be refined. However, the BMW engineers will have examined DCT and every other competitor in minute detail and will have known what they had to match (or beat) but they, as the top of the tree in terms of quality, still brought to market a product which demands of reviewers only qualified praise and comments which suggest the system if good in many but not all situations

Yes I’m disappointed, but as my mother used to say “only fools and children judge a job half done”. The thing is, I expect of BMW that it sells jobs fully, not half, done

And before you point it out, Yes, I should have a ride and make my own mind up

It's not intended to be a fully automatic like a car with a torque converter. That would take away the thrill of riding. It's a automatic manual gearbox.
It' can't know what you're thinking nor can it read the road ahead, corner\hills etc. So you have to work with the auto at times and if it hasn't changed gear when you would have liked just use the lever, it goes back to auto mode after a few seconds.

Yes, you should have a test ride first.

 

[GrinningGSer]

So we now have contributors , who clearly state that the 1300 GSA ASA DOES NOT kick down two gears on acceleration .
This is important knowledge because , if true , it reveals that there is a new evolution of ASA in the new RT , which does kick down two gears.