R1300 GS Quickshifter recalibration with MotoScan

[Anthonyp0808]

There are videos around showing how to recalibrate the quickshifter on the R1250GS, and post on this forum too.

https://www.ukgser.com/community/th...pro-recalibration-quick-shifter-reset.467162/

I did on my 1250 which yielded much smoother quickshifting.

The Motoscan options on the R1250GS are Engine Electronics (MOT) -> Adaptations -> Gear Shift Assistant then you can delete present values, etc.

The navigation on the R1300 has Engine Electronics (MOT) -> Adaptations -> (but there is no Gear Shift Assistant option). There is an option "TRANSMISSIONS" which say to use if components have been replaced.

I was reluctatnt to try that.

So the questions are "Has anyone recalibrate the quickshifter on the R1300GS, using either MotoScan or GS-911? If so, what are the dance steps? And was it worth it?"

 

[botus]

BWM have moved tech on and now which module does what is changing - plus started to introduce tricks to reduce interference and functionality from third party tools

that said shift assist is not a clever system or even sophisticated idea - its just a switch to interfere with the power delivery to the back wheel - so there should be no limitation on servicing procedures

as you ride, throttle on, the gears are under load - normally a grown up rolls off the throttle pulls in the clutch (disconnecting drive from the engine to the back wheel) and gently moves gears, lets out the clutch and rolls on the power. Done well, it produces no wear, no noise, no drive line shunt.

For motorsport the slight loss of drive reaching the driven wheel drops your lap time... so where costs, wear and an uncomfortable shift doesn't matter - they never roll off the throttle to change gear - however in high power situations the gear loading stops the shift happening - so as the vehicle notices the request to shift gear, a switch basically tells the ignition to give up for a split second - we don't kill the injection so that over fueling brings the childish pop when the spark comes back - but the split second kill switch unloads the dogs just enough and we can smear whats left of the gear's and ram in the next damaged mess

calibrating when the deliberate misfire occurs - brings in the idea of reduced gearbox damage and brings in a less awful shift..... we could extend the kill switch so it has time to shift but BM only seemed to make it function adequately with 2021 model year bikes - before that it really was a disaster

I hate it - even calibrated to BM perfection it shifts like an incompetent learner - even when its at its best

 

[IrishGaucho]

Usually if you reach out to motoscan, they're pretty quick to respond and even work on feature request.

I have not tried this yet as mine seems to work fine but definitely an option worth exploring. Sometimes things do get confusing with the translation.

Cheers
Rami

 

[Frankh]

BWM have moved tech on and now which module does what is changing - plus started to introduce tricks to reduce interference and functionality from third party tools

that said shift assist is not a clever system or even sophisticated idea - its just a switch to interfere with the power delivery to the back wheel - so there should be no limitation on servicing procedures

as you ride, throttle on, the gears are under load - normally a grown up rolls off the throttle pulls in the clutch (disconnecting drive from the engine to the back wheel) and gently moves gears, lets out the clutch and rolls on the power. Done well, it produces no wear, no noise, no drive line shunt.

For motorsport the slight loss of drive reaching the driven wheel drops your lap time... so where costs, wear and an uncomfortable shift doesn't matter - they never roll off the throttle to change gear - however in high power situations the gear loading stops the shift happening - so as the vehicle notices the request to shift gear, a switch basically tells the ignition to give up for a split second - we don't kill the injection so that over fueling brings the childish pop when the spark comes back - but the split second kill switch unloads the dogs just enough and we can smear whats left of the gear's and ram in the next damaged mess

calibrating when the deliberate misfire occurs - brings in the idea of reduced gearbox damage and brings in a less awful shift..... we could extend the kill switch so it has time to shift but BM only seemed to make it function adequately with 2021 model year bikes - before that it really was a disaster

I hate it - even calibrated to BM perfection it shifts like an incompetent learner - even when its at its best

I must be lucky with my quickshifter then, I don’t use it 1st to 2nd but all other changes used correctly it’s silky smooth changing gear just make sure throttle firmly shut changing down and on the gas changing up, it works very well for me.

 

[JoeBiff]

Typical.
Botus is super at wrongly answering a question no one asked.
Then wanders off-topic, typing a pile of bile and bollocks….

 

[tomtom1200]

I must be lucky with my quickshifter then, I don’t use it 1st to 2nd but all other changes used correctly it’s silky smooth changing gear just make sure throttle firmly shut changing down and on the gas changing up, it works very well for me.

Generally agree. I find mine can be a bit harsh from 2nd to 3rd as well. On the way down it good through the box.

 

[tomtom1200]

BWM have moved tech on and now which module does what is changing - plus started to introduce tricks to reduce interference and functionality from third party tools

that said shift assist is not a clever system or even sophisticated idea - its just a switch to interfere with the power delivery to the back wheel - so there should be no limitation on servicing procedures

as you ride, throttle on, the gears are under load - normally a grown up rolls off the throttle pulls in the clutch (disconnecting drive from the engine to the back wheel) and gently moves gears, lets out the clutch and rolls on the power. Done well, it produces no wear, no noise, no drive line shunt.

For motorsport the slight loss of drive reaching the driven wheel drops your lap time... so where costs, wear and an uncomfortable shift doesn't matter - they never roll off the throttle to change gear - however in high power situations the gear loading stops the shift happening - so as the vehicle notices the request to shift gear, a switch basically tells the ignition to give up for a split second - we don't kill the injection so that over fueling brings the childish pop when the spark comes back - but the split second kill switch unloads the dogs just enough and we can smear whats left of the gear's and ram in the next damaged mess

calibrating when the deliberate misfire occurs - brings in the idea of reduced gearbox damage and brings in a less awful shift..... we could extend the kill switch so it has time to shift but BM only seemed to make it function adequately with 2021 model year bikes - before that it really was a disaster

I hate it - even calibrated to BM perfection it shifts like an incompetent learner - even when its at its best

There is nothing wrong with clutchless shifting using a quick shifter or not. On my old gs1200 used to go up and down without the clutch and nothing broke in 45k miles. It always going to be harsh at low revs in low gears.

 

[botus]

There is nothing wrong with clutchless shifting using a quick shifter or not. On my old gs1200 used to go up and down without the clutch and nothing broke in 45k miles. It always going to be harsh at low revs in low gears.

clutchless shifting up, done well is OK but guaranteeing you always get it right is a challenge (so wear on the box will be higher than if using the clutch), on the way down its doable just about - in some gears (but even harder to get right)

if you believe a quick shifter is good for your bike you are delusional - its on everything now cos basically its free and it trashes the gearbox - so they can sell more bikes

 

[siddo]

clutchless shifting up, done well is OK but guaranteeing you always get it right is a challenge (so wear on the box will be higher than if using the clutch), on the way down its doable just about - in some gears (but even harder to get right)

if you believe a quick shifter is good for your bike you are delusional - its on everything now cos basically its free and it trashes the gearbox - so they can sell more bikes

Really?
Clutch less upshifts are simple and easy to do. Downshift takes a little more finesse.
If you believe a quick shifter is bad for your bike, you either don't ride or believe you know more than the bike designers and engineers.

 

[GrinningGSer]

Quickshifters are abundant , so when did we last encounter a failed R series gearbox ?

 

[botus]

Really?
...either don't ride or believe you know more than the bike designers and engineers.

you have your wires crossed - their job is to sell bikes, not make them last.

As the world got sicker, the i people did the math years ago and explained the game to german manu crooks 35 years back. ROI is higher abusing marketing, than bothering with build quality - its been so effective most jumped on the band wagon, and even honda are rubbish today

they waste serious money on jollies for supportive journos who are invited to ride chipped bikes with all the extras - then tell you they cost 16k (not the three 27k ones they threw down the road. Meanwhile the production side have been making them worse and worse. Building in more ways to prematurely age (dodgy paint / cheap coatings etc.), and adding more unnecessary junk to go wrong, whilst making them ugly enough drug addicts like them - a good example: how many miles does the average quick shifter last on a BM ? quite often <10 k miles before the deliberately over stressed budget wiring, cable tied in the wrong place fails with a wire break

some Chinese stuff now gets a 10 year warranty as BM pretend you should be grateful to get 2 years - guess why

 

[siddo]

you have your wires crossed - their job is to sell bikes, not make them last.

As the world got sicker, the i people did the math years ago and explained the game to german manu crooks 35 years back. ROI is higher abusing marketing, than bothering with build quality - its been so effective most jumped on the band wagon, and even honda are rubbish today

they waste serious money on jollies for supportive journos who are invited to ride chipped bikes with all the extras - then tell you they cost 16k (not the three 27k ones they threw down the road. Meanwhile the production side have been making them worse and worse. Building in more ways to prematurely age (dodgy paint / cheap coatings etc.), and adding more unnecessary junk to go wrong, whilst making them ugly enough drug addicts like them - a good example: how many miles does the average quick shifter last on a BM ? quite often <10 k miles before the deliberately over stressed budget wiring, cable tied in the wrong place fails with a wire break

some Chinese stuff now gets a 10 year warranty as BM pretend you should be grateful to get 2 years - guess why

I haven't read your reply but can see it's nothing to do with gear shifting.

 

[Frankh]

you have your wires crossed - their job is to sell bikes, not make them last.

As the world got sicker, the i people did the math years ago and explained the game to german manu crooks 35 years back. ROI is higher abusing marketing, than bothering with build quality - its been so effective most jumped on the band wagon, and even honda are rubbish today

they waste serious money on jollies for supportive journos who are invited to ride chipped bikes with all the extras - then tell you they cost 16k (not the three 27k ones they threw down the road. Meanwhile the production side have been making them worse and worse. Building in more ways to prematurely age (dodgy paint / cheap coatings etc.), and adding more unnecessary junk to go wrong, whilst making them ugly enough drug addicts like them - a good example: how many miles does the average quick shifter last on a BM ? quite often <10 k miles before the deliberately over stressed budget wiring, cable tied in the wrong place fails with a wire break

some Chinese stuff now gets a 10 year warranty as BM pretend you should be grateful to get 2 years - guess why

BMW motorrad supply you 3 years warranty not 2, have done for quite some time.

 

[botus]

I haven't read your reply but can see it's nothing to do with gear shifting.

that's funny - as it had this now bold bit in there when I wrote it

a good example: how many miles does the average quick shifter last on a BM ? quite often <10 k miles before the deliberately over stressed budget wiring, cable tied in the wrong place fails with a wire break