R1300 GSA ASA Surging issues!

[grantmac]

Of course not because its all just a load of bollox...unfounded, unwarranted and unnecessary horseshite.........
And if a link with a genuine article appears I'll eat my words and buy Borus a pint....but someone will have to tell me as I have him on ignore...

 

[mountainmile]

The only fuelling glitch I notice on the 1300 is very initial throttle response, pulling away from standing. It is better than my previous 1250GS, which required a short pause, to allow the engine to catch up with the throttle, before easing the clutch out. The 1300 doesn't need that, but there is a fractional moment when I wonder if I've misjudged it. On a hill start I am more careful to make sure it's with me, before taking off.

Ok so i was going to ask about this but Martin GSA UK pretty much outlines my thoughts exactly on the R1300GS i just bought.
It feels like a triumph tiger i had previously with regard i always felt that too had a delayed response when pulling off from a standstill (fine one up and running)
I drove a mates 2017 r1200gs the other day and IMMEDIATELY i felt 100% at home on it ,and felt there was no "getting to know the bike" necessary at all.
With the 1300 i too constantly feel like "hmm have i misjudged the amount of throttle i need here to pull off cleanly ?" regularly
Im not stalling it ever but i do find im making regular adjustments from a standstill .............because it feels nowhere near as linear or clean when pulling away as the 1200 does.

I know some will say its a rider mode adjustment thing ,and thats something i will need to play with when im back from a work trip
But in the interim can i save time by asking if this is something people generally complain about? or is it a play around with maybe settings within dynamic pro or some of the other rider modes? (Again,its just when pulling away from a standstill so maybe just a euro emissions thing thats common?)
Thanks

 

[TaskMule]

There is no "fuelling glitch" just off idle. I think you just have to be more deliberate with the throttle. Road mode softens throttle response quite a lot. Try Dynamic mode. This will quicken throttle response big time. Dynamic Pro is only if you want to dial back various things .
Every bike brand and model behave differently. You'll get used to it. 1300 GS and GSA are some of the smoothest launching bikes made

 

[mountainmile]

There is no "fuelling glitch" just off idle. I think you just have to be more deliberate with the throttle. Road mode softens throttle response quite a lot. Try Dynamic mode. This will quicken throttle response big time. Dynamic Pro is only if you want to dial back various things .
Every bike brand and model behave differently. You'll get used to it. 1300 GS and GSA are some of the smoothest launching bikes made

Hmm not really what i wanted to hear
If its not a common issue and its just considered normal, then id have to say the mates 1200 feels much nicer and much more responsive / natural from idle.
Some riders just pick up on different quirks maybe...but id have to say im in Martin GSA,s club with regard thinking it isnt something i like
But ill have to see what mode i had it in initially.
Pretty sure it was dynamic though...i could be wrong

But interesting to know that dynamic pro is maybe similar to dynamic (but with options to dumb things down rather than further sharpen them up?)

 

[Martin GSA UK]

There's no power difference between Dynamic and Road, just throttle sensitivity. Dynamic has a curve and Road is more like a straight line. 50% of throttle grip application in Dynamic gets you about the equivalent of 70% twist in Road. Dynamic then flattens off, while Road contihues on its straight line, so 100% Dynamic = 100% Road.

In Dynamic on UK roads, the result for me is a feeling that each bump and pothole adjusts the throttle. I prefer Road throttle response, with 'Dynamic' suspension settings.

 

[botus]

if the throttle body calibration is off whack, likely the gearbox on ASA models won't understand what's going on - all part of modern emission control, what the grip is saying is not necessarily what the throttle body decides is the best option for emissions / fuelling / ride-ability - its this very capability that allows the differing throttle sensitivity of each rider mode - and brings cruise control as a nice little extra with no bulky hard to place drag on the throttle cable module, like there were on the air cooled RTs

dealer tools, GS911 or Motoscan all have throttle grip calibration, and then another, throttle body calibration process - resetting these is all part of any i-level software update but some lazy dealers don't bother....
on most early models (pre R1300) with flyby wire throttle - there was a wiring multiplug issue where some pins gave intermittent connection - not sure if this causes calibration issues - but my K16 lost its grip calibration 6 times and became unrideable off the line with hyper sensitivity... regular grip calibration sorted this every time - and it once came back from a software update missing 25% of its top end power - throttle body calibration brought that back to normal

 

[botus]

Have you got the link to that?

i-Level : X001-25-07-505	i-Level : X001-26-03-510
XBMSO1 :	XBMSO1 :
SW Memory Image (SWFL) :	SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
Firmware Version : 152.000.000	Firmware Version : 154.000.000
Software creation level (SWFK) :	Software creation level (SWFK) :
Firmware Version : 152.000.000	Firmware Version : 154.000.001

it doesn't help at all.... We are now past the summer break - so there will be a new i-level out there which may or may not update the engine map yet again

 

[karlp]

Of course not because its all just a load of bollox...unfounded, unwarranted and unnecessary horseshite.........
And if a link with a genuine article appears I'll eat my words and buy Borus a pint....but someone will have to tell me as I have him on ignore...

I can tell you really want to take him off ignore

 

[grantmac]

Nope. Not 1 iota …..

 

[TaskMule]

I have some fairly significant surging issues that are causing premature rear tire wear. When I apply throttle in 4th gear coming out of a corner the bike surges very hard. Also when I roll on in 6th from around 120 - 130 kmh there's a very serious surge up until around 190 kmh. This is causing fairly rapid rear tire wear.
Stupid BMW

 

[Martin GSA UK]

I have some fairly significant surging issues that are causing premature rear tire wear. When I apply throttle in 4th gear coming out of a corner the bike surges very hard. Also when I roll on in 6th from around 120 - 130 kmh there's a very serious surge up until around 190 kmh. This is causing fairly rapid rear tire wear.
Stupid BMW

Over here the solution to that is a brain to wrist recalibration when the police give you a reboot.

 

[Graybloggs]

In my humble opinion, this doesnt sound like a system calibration or mapping issue. The problem is intermittant so I would more suspect a bad engine management connection somewhere or a faulty sensor. A faulty sensor like MAF sensor for example would probably show up in a diagnostic scan. I would get a gs911 or moto scan hooked up when its failing and see what errors it reports. If the dealership is at a loss and you're really frustrated, then contact Superbike Surgery, the guy's a genius and if he cant fix it, no-one can!

Probably before doing anything, Id disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes and see if a total power-off reboot helps. I know that sounds too basic but these bikes are full of electronics so I would try it because its quick and free and always worth a try..... then call Superbike Surgery!