R80G/S PD - Changing fork springs - End cap socket size advice

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I want to inspect and potentially change the fork springs on my G/S - Can anybody advise the socket size needed to get the end cap out of the top of the forks...looks to be about 34mm but my micrometer doesnt go that large.

Any advice greatfully received.

Cheers
 
Fork tops...

Motorworks do a nice little spanner to fit these....and the central nut.

Both will be VERY tight, so a proper ring spanner on them is essential.

BTW, what springs are you going for?
Personally just fitted Hyperpro progressive springs on my ST rebuild... but not tested them yet as the bike isnt quite ready for the road yet.....soon I hope

Best of luck with it.

Bubb
 
Love to hear what your experience is with the upgrade to progressives - something I am thinking about for my G/S.

The perceived wisdom is dont bother upgrading the standard G/S forks as its not worth it, just fit a better front end, but my already fitted upgraded front brake does tend to overwhelm the forks a bit (BIG dive) and I dont really want to futz about changing the front end to say a R100 GS and have to do the brake upgrade again, so this would seem a relatively fuss free reasonable cost upgrade, against the wisdom or no.

Motorworks and Moto Bins do there own much cheaper version BTW, but im not sold on those so much, Hyperpro being probably much better quality (plus I have an Ohlins rear shock)

:beerjug:
 
Going to install the Hyperpro progressive springs. I know that 100GS forks are beetle but trying to keep the bike as original looking as poss. By the way....just upgraded the front brake with branded hose, calliper overall and the new ceramic pads....boy what a difference...actually stops now, no fade and good feel. Will report back on any improvement having also just fitted a new YSS rear shock as well.

Cheers
 
Motorworks and Moto Bins do there own much cheaper version BTW, but im not sold on those so much, Hyperpro being probably much better quality (plus I have an Ohlins rear shock)

:beerjug:

Motorworks progressives are the work of the devil. Completely shite. They haven't finished the ends of the springs off properly and they distort and rub against the side of the tubes. Very disconcerting hearing then squeak every time the forks move.
 
Motorworks progressives are the work of the devil. Completely shite. They haven't finished the ends of the springs off properly and they distort and rub against the side of the tubes. Very disconcerting hearing then squeak every time the forks move.

Ahh, thanks Rob. I shall steer well clear of those then!
 
If you actually measure them there is next to no progressiveness in a progressive spring when new, and what little there is sags up solid PDQ.
So you end up with a shorter single rate spring with fewer coils, which is much stiffer.

What you want in the forks is a spring that gives about 10% less rider sag than the rear shock spring, when the fork spring is preloaded somewhere between 14 and 18 mm.
Just about the only way to get that is to go to a decent suspension specialist , who has a few springs in stock and can remove the existing and fit the correct ones on the spot.
He would probably be able to fit properly shimmed 'Gold Valves" or similar at the same time, and if he can this will make a huge improvement.
Experience is everything here - you could fart around forever and never achieve what an experienced pro will do in half an hour, and it is much cheaper than any alternative.

If your forks have seen a decent amount of miles and are getting a bit worn a billet top triple and tubular lower brace will improve the action too, but only if both are carefully fitted so that there is the minimum of stiction - just bolting them on as supplied with the forks still on the bike will probably make things worse.

The 440,000 km old 36mm forks on my G/S with these mods, are stiffer and work better than the 75000 km old 42 mm forks on my Funduro , yet people have fitted Funduro forks to a G/S and claim a huge improvement in action and rigidity - go figere!
 
I put hyperpro progesive springs in the forks off my 1988 GS when I upgraded to a 320mm big disk and an Ohlins rear shock. I get much less dive when braking hard and I like the set up. That said the old springs were knackered so I'm not really comparing like with like.

For me they work, however after setting the sag right (thank you rob for your link!) and getting my Ohlins set just right (soft but controlled) I find the hyperpro slightly harsh over certain bumps, nothing that upsets the bike but I'd like them to be slightly more compliant. I really am not picking here though as the new set up is vastly superior to the original!
 
I put hyperpro progesive springs in the forks off my 1988 GS when I upgraded to a 320mm big disk and an Ohlins rear shock. I get much less dive when braking hard and I like the set up. That said the old springs were knackered so I'm not really comparing like with like.

For me they work, however after setting the sag right (thank you rob for your link!) and getting my Ohlins set just right (soft but controlled) I find the hyperpro slightly harsh over certain bumps, nothing that upsets the bike but I'd like them to be slightly more compliant. I really am not picking here though as the new set up is vastly superior to the original!

Ah, interesting to hear your experience. This is probably the way I wil go. I wonder, fiddling around with the weight of the fork oil in the leg which does compression (right one?) might help, ie a lighter weight?

:beerjug:
 
OK got out yesterday on my G/S PD with the new Hyperpro progressive fork springs - All I can say is that this is a significant improvement over the standard set up. Much less diving under braking and less harsh over the bumps and working well with the new YSS rear shock. However, the old fork oil was pretty shot so how much was down to new oil and how much to the new springs is hard to tell.....but overall very happy with the result. Interestingly I had to reset the sag on the rear shock (as in reduce it).

I had also reconditioned the front caliber and put new Brembro Carbon Ceramic pads....much better stopping power....again, how much was down to the refurb and how much down to the pads is difficult to aportion but overall pleased with the effect to the point that I was considering a 320mm upgrade but have now shelved the idea.

If anyone else is thinking of replacing springs I now have a 36MM socket for the job I am happy to lend out for the cost of postage.

Cheers

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