R80GS Gearbox advice please

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The story so far.
Just got back from Le Mans two up with a full load. Got off the Dover ferry on the return journey and after a few miles horrible noises in 5th gear with loss of power. The other gears seem to be OK. Limped her into the service station then the AA back to Brighton.

What to do next?
Should I fit an exchange recon box and if so what experiences have you had with the likes of Motorbins and Motorworks.

Is it worth rebuilding it and who undertakes this kind off work?

Is there anyone out there with a gearbox that will fit her?
 
First of all, do not panic. Sounds as if the bearing on the output shaft has gone, mine did exactly ythe same shortly after buying it. The gearbox can easily be rebuilt but I guess from your post that you would not undertake the task. If you can wield a spanner you could get the gearbox out, get someone to rebuild it and pop it back. all doable , even by the inexperienced. I am sure someone will be along to tell you who can do it near you.
this is the beauty of these old airheads.
 
I would be able to get the box out OK. So I guess the thing to do is get on with that first then go from there.
Thanks for the input
 
As Pastyman said it is a relative easy job getting the box out
Get a clymer manual if you havent - they explain how to do it

I got a secondhand box off fleabay, and was going to do it up before fitting it
After talking with a good mate - we come up with the idea to fit it and see if its a goodun first - Still working after a couple of thousand kms
The caput one was done up and is in the loft of me shed for when / if this one goes tits up
Doing a geabox up aint that hard but a couple of the removal bits are very tricky
There is a guy in Huddersfield called Roger ( forgot his second name but he works in a workshop at the side of Tony Archer - the upholterer)
he does them up for about £100 plus bits
HTHY :thumb2
 
I got a secondhand box off fleabay, and was going to do it up before fitting it
After talking with a good mate - we come up with the idea to fit it and see if its a goodun first

Exactly what I am considering. Mine is getting very clattery and occasionally won't find a gear so I'm thinking I'll get hold of another box and either do up the new one or swap them and do up the old one. I guess I'll have to lay hands on a box first before deciding the best course of action. :nenau

What are the pro's & con's of fitting a box with a kickstarter?
 
i my need to do that to as my box is leaking but still goes the only problem is that my bike has got a taller 5th gear fitted so if i fix another box it would rev to high on the motorway
 
Exactly what I am considering. Mine is getting very clattery and occasionally won't find a gear so I'm thinking I'll get hold of another box and either do up the new one or swap them and do up the old one. I guess I'll have to lay hands on a box first before deciding the best course of action. :nenau

What are the pro's & con's of fitting a box with a kickstarter?

On the kick-starter bit, make sure you have the appropriate bean can fitted if you do or it's a waste of time as it just won't start on the kick, mind you even with the proper one it ain't easy.:blast

I have a rebuilt gear box in the garage on the spares shelf if your in need of one to tide you over. :thumb
 
On the kick-starter bit, make sure you have the appropriate bean can fitted if you do or it's a waste of time as it just won't start on the kick, mind you even with the proper one it ain't easy.:blast

I have a rebuilt gear box in the garage on the spares shelf if your in need of one to tide you over. :thumb

Thanks Roger, I'll bear it in mind. :beerjug:
 
If you have the non kickstart module it kills the power to the coil after a second or so if it hasn't been triggered by the bean can which means you're going to need to move like Billy whizz to turn the engine over with that crappy kickstarter.
 
I've just replaced the bearings on my '82 RS, (apart from the ratios I believe they are virtually identical to all intents and purposes) while only one was knackered, the front output shaft race, it seemed silly not to change the others as well. Likewise the seals: input, output, gearchange shaft and there's a little one at the back end of the input shaft for the clutch pushrod. And the gasket for the cover. I got a new bellows for the output flange simply because it would be a bugger to replace if it gave up in the near future. Oh, the books say to replace the bolts for the output flange, but Steptoe, and I think others as well, say they always reuse the originals. If you get new bolts then make certain they are of the correct length, if you use the ones intended for use with locking washers then they will be too long and will chew up your output seal. And before you put the box back put a bit of lubricant on the clutch splines, you don't often have the opportunity to do it this easily.

The manuals all tell you to measure and calculate the thickness of the shims you need to give the correct end-float on the shafts and bearings, as I didn't have to change any of the shafts then there was no need to change the shims because the new bearings were identical to the old ones. Having said that I did check them because I had access to all the necessary tools and to the shimming plate because I joined the BMW Club, and it was so good to have all the proper tools for the job. You will also need a torque wrench as well as the usual assortment of spanners, a depth micrometer is ideal but calipers will do, with care. A very useful guide was Jörgs Motorcyle Pages, see http://jhau.maliwi.de/mot/gearbox.html Incidentally, a small point, but the angle iron he uses to mount the gearbox on is very useful, bit I was a bit dissapointed to find that the dimensions he gives for one of the holes is out by a millimetre or two- just enought to make it awkward to get a socket to one of the bolts (the gearchange mechanism bracket if I remember correctly) so check the measurements from your gearbox before you start drilling. Having said that it's still well worth having and the rest of his instructions are very helpful. You can borrow mine if you like.

I didn't find the job too tricky, just be careful to label (or measure) the shims behind the bearings in the end cover as you take them out, keep everything clean, and take lots of pictures as you go along, you may well be so glad to have done so if you are unsure of how things ought to go back.

I'll dig out the invoices for the bits and post them for you tomorrow, they are in the workshop somewhere.
 
From Motor Works a few weeks ago:
Six bearings: £72.85
Four seals: £26.09
Gearbox end cover gasket 5 speed GEA38596 £3.29.​
the knackered bearing in mine was Gearbox bearing 5 speed input shaft output end GEA32695 £6.46 but as I said I replaced them all. Above prices include VAT.
Check their current prices at:

http://www.motorworks.co.uk/bmw/pro..._15_20_DA_40&header_text=&header_text_image=0

Go for it!
 
Would I want any other bits, shims , selector springs, camplate wheels?, etc before I pulled a box apart.
Bearing in mind that I would want to pull it apart and rebuild it immediately, not wait anther 3 weeks for parts for England, and $20- extra on the initial order would be about half the cost of postage on a second order.
 
Extra Bits

I just did mine under direct supervision, I also put in a set of selector springs, replaced the nylon selector roller with a small roller bearing and had to replace the primary gear on the input shaft (£58+vat at Motobins) The early boxes had this gear bevel cut at 15deg where the later ones were done at 17.5deg. Only the early ones give trouble apparently, it had started to go through the case hardening but without damaging the layshaft gears - wasn't I lucky! The box had been apart before but had not been reassembled properly, the shimming wasn't right, there was no gasket on it which an integral part of the shimming calculations and the output shaft nut had been butchered as well as the casing round the output shaft, but all is well now and it's loverly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 


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