Re-tracing your steps on Navigator/SPIII

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OK newbie question...

Can I set my SPIII so that it follows where I go (rather than getting it to pre-calculate a route) and save this information in such a way that I can use it as a route to re-do the same journey another time?

As far as I could figure out the whole tracking thing seems to need another computer hooked up to the GPS which is impossible for the Laptop disadvantaged.

Or am I missing something obvious?

Thanks
 
The SP3 tracks you as you go and you can download the tracklog back into Mapsource or any other GPS mapping program.

Once you have the track info on your PC it is relatively easy to convert that into a route to distribute to your friends.
 
I am a newcomer to all this too, and I am sure you will get better answers but this is what I do.

I create personal waypoints to places en route to where I want to go before I leave. I make sure they are off boring dual carriageways and the like and I route to them by the shorter distance. Its amazing how the system finds 'new' roads even in areas I know well. Great fun. I go from waypoint to waypoint until I arrive at my final destination.

If I spot a place I want to return to I create a waypoint on the hoof by the roadside.

To retrace my steps I just perm the waypoints together in the order of my choice.

I hope this helps while you wait for a high tech answer to arrive.

Enjoy it! Norman
 
Bob Jeffries said:
The SP3 tracks you as you go and you can download the tracklog back into Mapsource or any other GPS mapping program.

Once you have the track info on your PC it is relatively easy to convert that into a route to distribute to your friends.

Hi Bob,

Thanks, but as Bigtrailbikerider says it's easy when you know how!

At least I know it's possible, but give us a clue as to the process. Which menu do I find tracks under? Do I need to tell the SPIII to start tracking or does it do this automatically? how do I convert a track to a route on the PC (am using the standard Garmin MapSource)?

Too many questions, I know. Any help appreciated. :D
 
I also find that the quicker you say it the easier it is :-)

The SP3 tracks you by default, although you can switch it off.

If your using Mapsource then the option to download the track log onto your PC is from the Transfer/Receive from device menu option and check the Tracks box (if no tracks are available you won't be able to).

You can then save the tracks as you would waypoints etc.

I’ll have a go at a step by step “convert a track to a route” tonight, it’s different for whatever software your using, some software will do it automatically, but as your using Mapsource I’ll do it for that.
 
schiannini said:
Can I set my SPIII so that it follows where I go (rather than getting it to pre-calculate a route) and save this information in such a way that I can use it as a route to re-do the same journey another time?

As far as I could figure out the whole tracking thing seems to need another computer hooked up to the GPS which is impossible for the Laptop disadvantaged.

In the "track log" tab of the system menu if you have "Recording" set to "on", the SPIII will automatically record a history of your locations in a track log. However once you have travelled far enough to fill the SPIII's memory, new track points will start to overwrite the oldest points.

You can save this track log if you bring along your laptop, but you cannot save it to any memory area of the SPIII. If you need to do this you need a different gps unit.

The GPSIII and GPSIII+ (and others I'm sure, but I've only got experience of these two) will allow you to save a recorded track log, clear the memory and start recording again. On the way home you can reload these track logs and follow them in reverse. If you need the auto routing and voice instructions also then you should consider the Garmin 276c which also has all the track log features of the Garmin III and III+ and auto routing.

Don't confuse the Garmin III and Garmin III+ with the SPIII - the GPSIII and III+ are discontinued and can be picked up cheaply on eBay.

To sum up - If you haven't yet bought a gps and the ability to save recorded track logs to the memory of the gps and reload them later is important to you then don't buy the SPIII.

You might be interested in reading this thread
 
The Garmin marine market and outdoor market (hiking, orienteering, geocaching) GPSR's all have a software feature that allows the user to track back along the path they followed in the first place. This is called (not surprisingly) "Trackback".

The Garmin automotive market GPSR's don't offer an exact trackback feature, because doing an exact trackback would bring the user into conflict with traffic coming down the road in the other direction. There is also the problem of one way streets, motorway ramps, traffic circles, and so forth. So, I think you can appreciate why this capability is not provided on the automotive units.

There has been discussion in the past about providing some kind of utility within MapSouce - the application you use to view tracks you have created on your GPSR - to somehow allow MapSource to convert a track to a route. This isn't really a "top shelf" priority with the software engineers who develop MapSource, because the users who are really familiar with using MapSource and creating routes can accomplish the same thing pretty quickly right now, with MapSource 6.1, by a series of mouse-clicks to create a string of sequential waypoints over a track line at key points (turns). The 6.1 version of MapSource allows any route to be inverted, the inversion will not give you an exact opposite direction route, because it will obey all the traffic laws as it creates an opposite direction route that follows the roads originally used as closely as possible. I think this is what Bob Jeffries was referring to in his reply posted above.

There are some utility programs available free of charge that have been created and put in the public domain by third party enthusiasts that allow tracks to be converted directly to routes, and routes to tracks. The problem with these is that they tend to work only with specific models of GPSR's, typically, the non-automotive ones.

I have had unintentional first-hand experience with an automotive GPSR that provided an exact track-back feature, and it wasn't a pretty sight. This happened when I was testing early generation software on a recently released model of GPSR. It was really, really confusing to be presented with exact track-back guidance instructions that violated traffic laws. Needless to say, this snag has since been fixed.

Dual-sport riders are sometimes caught between two worlds - there is a desire to have the GPSR on the moto behave occasionally like a marine or hiking unit, supporting exact track back, but most of the time, the desire is to have it respect traffic laws.

"Horses for Courses" was the wise comment made by Richie last time this topic came up. Meaning, if the trackback capability is very important to you, you have three possibilities:

1) Buy a marine unit that also does automotive navigation (e.g. 276C), but accept that there are some disadvantages associated with that if you are using it primarily for automotive work (small map memory capacity, not all the software tricks of the pure automotive units are available for road and route control), or;

2) Buy a pure automotive unit if that is what you think your primary use will be, then buy a very inexpensive "outdoor" model handheld GPSR, with no maps in it, to use for trackback purposes. This will cost you about $ 80, new.

3) Adjust your automotive unit (SP III or SP 26xx) so it displays the track log points you have created on the screen, then manually follow the breadcrumb trail back when you need to return.

If you just want a device that will maintain one huge, unlimited track log that shows where you have been, without over-writing it as the SP's do after a while, you can buy such standalone devices for far less than the price of an automotive autorouting GPSR. Or, you can simply turn off the track log recording feature of the SP at the end of your "interesting" track, so it won't overwrite it until you get to a computer to download and save it.

Another possibility: Buy a cheap used laptop (mine cost $300), and put it in the pannier. If you want to save data from the automotive GPS, or upload a new route, or change maps, etc., while on a long trip, just pull out the laptop.

This topic has been kicked around a great deal (beat to death, in fact) in the past few weeks, in addition to the thread that Garfieldus mentioned in his post above, there are discussions of the same topic in these two threads as well:

Gamin 276
and
GARMIN GPSMAP 276C Any good? Where to get one?

PanEuropean
 
Further to this discussion. My SP3 tracklog does not allow adjustments to the way it records your route. So it can only record around 5.5 hours.
My E-trex vista can be altered to leave its bread crumbs according to time i.e. every 10 secs or distance i.e. every 400m. There is a huge selection.

What I'm saying is that the SP3 cannot record a full days ride. Or am I missing something?
 
Howard:

You are pretty much correct in your observations. The SP products (III, 26xx) make their own adjustments to the track point recording interval based on the speed of the vehicle and the frequency of heading changes of the vehicle. So you can't say that it will record exactly x miles or x minutes, the log capacity will vary depending on whether you are driving at high speed in a straight line across Texas, or doing the twisties in the Black Forest.

About all we can do as end users to control the track log function on the pure automotive units is to clear the log when we reach the beginning of the interesting part of the ride that we want to record, and then turn off log recording when we have finished riding the interesting part. We can turn it on and off again as we wish, same as if it was a tape recorder or video camera. There is a progress bar that lets us know how much recording space remains. If the log fills up, the GPSR starts over-writing the earliest entries, exactly like an aircraft flight data recorder.

I have used the log function on many occasions, and not run out of log space. But, I generally don't ride much more than 200 miles a day, and when I do make long trips in a single day, it's usually "transiting" - long boring stretches across motorways that I have no interest in recording anyway.

The outdoor and marine models give the users much more control over the track log functions. The newer GPSR's tend to have much larger track log capacity than the older ones (both automotive and non-automotive).

PanEuropean
 
I like tracks as I often ride with groups on new roads that I would like to have a record of. In that case I try to enter waypoints along the way but often forget and my track log usually fills before I can save it or stop recording.

Rather than a major changes to the 2610, if Garmin would just provide a user setting for the distance between saved track points (breadcrumbs) that would be the biggest help to me. The current limit of 2000 track points is more than enough if they could be set to record from automatic (let the 2610 do it) to say .1-1 mile.

If I recall, currently the track points on the 2610 are laid down based on speed so the amount of actual miles recorded in a filled log will vary.
 
Bill:

That's a very good suggestion, and I will pass it on. I sort of suspect that the 26xx software is "fully mature" now - meaning, small, incremental changes will be probably limited to bug fixes - but it is certainly something that is worth thinking about for inclusion in the next generation of software, whether that is for future automotive products, or for a future "roll-up" enhancement/upgrade release of the 26xx software.

PanEuropean
 
schiannini

I didn't have time to compile a “step by step” last night (my eldest daughter announced her engagement and the champagne flowed:boozer :boozer )

I did take a quick look at using Mapsource, and as Pan has already said there’s no built-in “track to route” feature so it would be a matter of placing a number of waypoints along the track and auto-routing between them. Alternatively the free and downloadable GPSUtility (http://82.112.116.218/) does have a “track to route” feature that is explained quite well in its help file.

As many have said the more “sophisticated” GPS’s have very little control over the way tracks are recorded. For planning off-road events I also take my 12XL along which gives me total control over the recording of tracks and if connected to my Palm Vx to save the track logs I can easily record several days with the track log set to record every 1-second!

If you need more I’ll have a look next week, I’m off to Silverstone for the WSB this afternoon.
 


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