Rear reflective stickers on panniers - legal?

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I've just bought an 1100RT (but this applies to GS's as well, I guess) and it has super-reflective stickers on the back faces of the panniers.
They reflect like a very refective thing, but they are white, not red. I would have thought it was only legal to have red reflectors facing backwards, but does anyone no for sure?
 
I believe that only red reflective is allowed at the rear.

Have a look at any emergency service vehicle and the yellow at the rear will be hi viz only not high viz reflective.
 
The manufacturers' reflectors on the back of my jackets are all white. :nenau

Ask someone with a 1200 for a more complete discussion. :thumb
 
road veh lighting regs, unless changed over the years used to say a white reflector is classed as showing a white light to the rear and is an offence.
:rob
my pennyworth
 
FROM HERE


2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except–(a)amber light from a direction indicator or side marker lamp;
(b)white light from a reversing lamp;
(c)white light from a work lamp;
(d)light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;
(e)light from an illuminated rear registration plate;
(f)light for the purposes of illuminating a taxi meter;
(g)in the case of a bus, light for the purposes of illuminating a route indicator;
(h)blue light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to a police control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(i)white light from a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(j)green light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to an ambulance control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(k)blue light from a warning beacon or rear special warning lamp fitted to an emergency vehicle, or from any device fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;
(l)amber light from a warning beacon fitted to–
(i)a road clearance vehicle;
(ii)a vehicle constructed or adapted for the purpose of collecting refuse;
(iii)a breakdown vehicle;
(iv)a vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph or any trailer drawn by such a vehicle;
(v)a vehicle having an overall width (including any load) exceeding 2.9 m;
(vi)a vehicle used for the purposes of testing, maintaining, improving, cleansing or watering roads or for any purpose incidental to any such use;
(vii)a vehicle used for the purpose of inspecting, cleansing, maintaining, adjusting, renewing or installing any apparatus which is in, on, under or over a road, or for any purpose incidental to any such use;
(viii)a vehicle used for or in connection with any purpose for which it is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 of the Act;
(ix)a vehicle used for escort purposes when travelling at a speed not exceeding 25 mph;
(x)a vehicle used by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the purpose of testing fuels;
(xi)a vehicle used for the purpose of surveying;
(xii)a vehicle used for the removal or immobilisation of vehicles in exercise of a statutory power or duty;
(m)green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council (whether with full, provisional or limited registration);
(n)yellow light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle for use at airports;
(o)light of any colour from a traffic sign which is attached to a vehicle;
(p)reflected light from amber pedal retro reflectors;
(q)reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of–
(i)a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;
(ii)a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or
(iii)an invalid carriage;
(r)reflected light from amber retro reflective material on a road clearance vehicle;
(s)reflected light from yellow retro reflective registration plates;
(t)reflected light from yellow retro reflective material incorporated in a rear marking of a type specified in Part I Section B of Schedule 19 and fitted to–
(i)a motor vehicle having a maximum gross weight exceeding 7500 kg;
(ii)a motor vehicle first used before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 3000 kg;
(iii)a trailer having a maximum gross weight exceeding 3500 kg;
(iv)a trailer manufactured before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 1000 kg;
(v)a trailer which forms part of a combination of vehicles one of which is of a type mentioned in a previous item of this sub-paragraph;
(vi)a load carried by any vehicle; or
(u)reflected light from orange retro reflective material incorporated in a sign fitted to the rear of a vehicle carrying a dangerous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances (Conveyance by Road in Road Tankers and Tank Containers) Regulations 1981(1) or the Road Traffic (Carriage of Dangerous Substances in Packages etc) Regulations 1986(2)
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In other words, technically, it's illegal.
 
Thanks for the fast, humorous and comprehensive replies.

I think my best course of action is to remove them. I quite like the idea of getting some red ones, though.

The odd thing is that the white ones on the panniers look professionally made and fit the back panels exactly. I'm sure I've seen one of the bikebling firms selling something very similar on their website (might be Wunderweb, but life's too short to do a search there!)

Where's the best source of red reflective stuff? Ebay??
 
I wouldn't remove them.. unless or until a copper told me to.

Seems clear, does it not. that the original owner didn't suffer from paranoia.. nor does it seem likely that the police ever told him to remove them.
 
It's NOT illegal. Have a re-read of the post by Fanum - it needs to be interpreted correctly.
 
Rushy said:
+1........ because item (q) appears to make it legal.......if I'm reading it correctly :nenau
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(q)reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of–
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it's only illegal when you get caught....and your only guilty when the and only once the appeals fail!
 
Like I said in my previous post, the legislation needs to be interpreted correctly.

So, to be clearer then -

(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except:

(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of -

(i)a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;

(ii)a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or

(iii)an invalid carriage;
 
Browny said:
Like I said in my previous post, the legislation needs to be interpreted correctly.

So, to be clearer then -

(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except:

(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of -

(i)a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;

(ii)a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or

(iii)an invalid carriage;
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Did you read Bills response to my post ....read it again ...the OPs stickers are not on his wheel.....;)
 
Try Moglo for cheap reflective stickers/tape of all sorts of reflective colours. They even do the chevrons at very good prices.
 
Nippy Normans supply Touratech, Wunderlich, Desert Fox and many other makes of accessories.
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