Refit Autocom or go Bluetooth

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New GS in the garage and all the bits waiting to be fitted. Just wondering whether to fit my old Autocom, which has had a few problems, or go down the route of Bluetooth? I just want Rider to Pillion and my Zumo to be heard. Has anyone done it and wish they hadn't? With the Sena the speakers look 'thicker' than the Autocom ones so may be a really tight fit in my helmet and push on the ears, any experience of this? There is some differing advice re the VOX function, some say that it is 'open' all the time and others say it 'clips' the first couple of words on speaking, anyone had any experience with this or can clarify?

Any help appreciated :thumb2
 
The Sena can be used either open channel or with the vox, to be honest never felt the need to try the vox. Easy to open the channel to chat, close it if you like or leave it open all day long.

As for speaker thickness not had a problem with all the helmets we have tried, you can always remove a small amount of polystyrene to move the speakers further from your ears.
 
Sena : I hid my speakers behind the lining in my Arai for better comfort with no problems but having switched to a Bell recently I just placed them inside the space for your ears (the speakers have velcro on them already) and they fit fine, dont notice they are there. Bluetooth and no wires is the way to go :thumb
 
I went through four Scala G4s and lost the will to live. I have a Starcom and my only regret is not putting in an Autocom. The Starcom is fine but the connectors are shitier than shit and I am sure I am keeping some bloke in China employed who makes them. I take two extra connectors whenever I go for a long trip.
 
The wife and I used to have an Autocom setup on our bikes, using PMR to talk between bikes. When we both swapped bikes I soon realised that there was nowhere to mount the units on either of the bikes.

Bearing that in mind I sold the Autocom units and the PMRs and bought us both a Scala G4. I paid about £270 from some Italian on ebay (recommended from this site).

Initially I had a few teething troubles, but that was down to a combination of the Zumo firmware (we both had Zumos) and the phones. Even during this time, the thing that always worked was the Scala to Scala comms. It was the GPS/phone that kept disconnecting from the units.

Once the devices in question were updated everything started to work beautifully. We've not had any issues since, baring the odd crash of the Zumo. However, I used to get that even with the Autocom since I had to use a combination of hard wire and bluetooth between the Autocom and Zumo to solve the telephone issue. In case you aren't aware, the telephone issue is when the Zumo and Autocom are only connected by cable and the Autocom can't differentiate between "sat nav speech" and "telephone speech", so when using the phone via the Zumo it cuts the volume of the other party by 50% every time you speak, making phone calls almost impossible. The solution was to connect the Zumo to the Autocom by hard wire for music and bluetooth for telephone calls.

One thing to bear in mind though is that if you have the Zumo 500/550 you will get really poor music through bluetooth due to it not supporting A2DP. I soon got fed up with it and traded up to a Zumo 660 (also partly because mine was getting on a bit and needed the screen replacing too). The wife decided to stick with her relatively new Zumo 550 and just used a 3.5mm audio cable between it and the Scala. It does mean she can't control the music using the Scala, but it's no big deal since all the controls are right there in front of her on the Zumo.

I am really please I chose (or rather was forced) down this route. We'd had loads of issues in the past with the Autocom units and the PMR. They worked really well, but only when they felt like it. A friend of mine also had to make the same choice when he changed bike, so he went for the G4 as well. We all did a week tour up round Scotland and the isle of Arran last year and had not a single problem between the 3 of us. The 3 way intercom between all the G4s worked perfectly.

Admittedly the range on the Scala units isn't as good as the PMR with Autocom was, but it's no issue and the range is plenty enough. It gets a bit ropey when separated by buildings and hills, but then so did the PMRs even when we were using the number plate mounted external aerials from Biker's Oracle.

Hope that helps,
Dae.
 
My experience of Scala G4 is fantastic. Used from freezing cold to roasting hot, dry to soaking and it hasnt missed a beat. Updated on web and used every trip. Fantastic bit of kit :)
 
Have used the G4 Scala for two holidays now (total around 35 days solid).

No problems with mine or mate's units other than the occasional comms drop out.

If I was replacing it - I'd need to do serious research before going for an alternative Blutooth system, but would never go back to PMR units.

Al
 
A friend of mine also had to make the same choice when he changed bike, so he went for the G4 as well. We all did a week tour up round Scotland and the isle of Arran last year and had not a single problem between the 3 of us. The 3 way intercom between all the G4s worked perfectly.

The major failing of the Bluetooth systems in terms of the bike-to-bike functionality is that you all need kit from the same manufacturer for it to work and you're limited to a small group being able to communicate. I your case daesimps it sounds like you were inside these parameters so everything worked as it should. If the group you ride with can all buy into a system like the G4 and there aren't that many of you (3 bikes maximum according to Scala website) then it sounds like the BT system to go for.

I'm leading a group of 7 to and around the Vosges region this summer, four of us with various Autocom and PMR kit. Should be able to communicate OK. One of the group I regularly ride with has similar set-up to me and we usually get 1 mile + range most of the time using BO antenna kits. Mixed in seamlessly without touching a button with; GPS, phone and music. PMR is on a PTT switch.
 
What about keeping the BT kit charged? How do you manage on long camping tours - is there on-bike charging of spare batteries? This is the thing putting me off the BMW system for my System 6 helmet as you can't charge spare batteries.


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What about keeping the BT kit charged? How do you manage on long camping tours - is there on-bike charging of spare batteries? This is the thing putting me off the BMW system for my System 6 helmet as you can't charge spare batteries.


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The sena comes with a car charger, and can be charged while using. Life is well over 10 hours (continuous use) and can be charged from a USB port too, so laptop or a mains/usb power supply in hotel.
 
What about keeping the BT kit charged? How do you manage on long camping tours

My touring buddy charged his Interphone f4 off his bike at the campsite every evening. Plenty of life in the headset battery for all day use once charged. I imagine the other BT headsets are similar. You'll obviously need a suitable car charger and socket on the bike. Quite possibly mini USB or micro USB, his was the latter. Current draw is minimal and shouldn't drain a bike battery that's in decent condition.
 
The sena comes with a car charger, and can be charged while using. Life is well over 10 hours (continuous use) and can be charged from a USB port too, so laptop or a mains/usb power supply in hotel.



I use my Sena all day for 2 days at a time no problem before I feel the need to 'top it up' but that is just using it to make & receive phone calls for work. On a tour using it for Satnav and music too then I would imagine you need to give it a top up charge most nights. The Sena is the only BT headset you can charge whilst in use.

You can also have 4 riders talking to each other and a new firmware upgrade will provide 'conferencing' just like you get with a radio set up.
 
I think I will order the Sena, if it's half as good as you all think then I will be happy. If you want bike to bike do you need a 'push to talk' button or is it open all the time so they hear everything they say to your pillion as well?
 
With regards to charging, I have an optimate lead on the bike which is used when the bike's at home. When I'm away I have a cigarette lighter socket which has the mating optimate connector on the other end. I simply plug a USB cigarette lighter charger into this and use it to charge the Scala.

The comments about size of groups is spot on. The limitation of the Scala G4 is a 4 way conversation, which I have done and works well. You can't have any more than four parties though, so it depends on the size of your group.

There's pros and cons to both setups. At the end of the day it will come down to your personal circumstances and which option is the better fit. What's perfect for me may not suit you, and vice versa.


Dae.
 


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