Remap by Hilltop Motorcycles

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Another happy remaper chipping in! 2011 twin cam, 2k since mine was done. IMHO well worth the money, I really don't care what the figures say or mean, the bike (which TBH I was quite happy with as standard) is so much nicer to ride and that's throughout the rev range. I particulaly like how you can hold onto a gear for longer and rolling on the throttle 2up at 5k is so much more responsive. If you want a faster bike with the same riding position go test ride an explorer. My GS is as fast as it needs to be to make progress on this congested isle of ours. So all you people sat on the fence, if you're expecting more speed go try something else, if you just want a crisper, more tractable and generally nicer bike to ride I don't think you'll be dissapointed
 
Another happy remaper chipping in! 2011 twin cam, 2k since mine was done. IMHO well worth the money, I really don't care what the figures say or mean, the bike (which TBH I was quite happy with as standard) is so much nicer to ride and that's throughout the rev range. I particulaly like how you can hold onto a gear for longer and rolling on the throttle 2up at 5k is so much more responsive. If you want a faster bike with the same riding position go test ride an explorer. My GS is as fast as it needs to be to make progress on this congested isle of ours. So all you people sat on the fence, if you're expecting more speed go try something else, if you just want a crisper, more tractable and generally nicer bike to ride I don't think you'll be dissapointed
Well said!

Don’t know whether I’ve posted this before but a couple of weeks back me and a buddy (Patto) swapped bikes, his RT is unmapped. Net result, he’s going next Tues to see Geoff

BTW, I've done a little write up of my own, its here if anyone's interested
 
I'm interested to see a theme developing in the thread in that the general consensus is that the £350 spent is well worth it for the improvement in feel and rideability. This reflects the effect I got when I did the same to a M.G. V11 I had. The BHP / torque figs are all smoke and mirrors as they say, whatever the figures are most are delighted with the result on the road..
 
Sorry for delay in getting back chaps as I was up at Michael Dunlops place and giving him some advice for next years TT. He just wants to know should he keep the panniers on or not as he was aiming for a 135mph lap and I told him if he chooses an ADV he won't even have to stop for fuel :D

You can't beat a well ridden GS :thumb2
 
1.the high max torque is a multi gear run from 2nd to 6th NOT a 6th gear roll on on av it is 80ftlb if you need more info on this call me !!

2. motorcycle ecu's ARE NOT THE SAME AS A CAR ECU !!

3. Flash Count from 2001 bmw motorcycles do not have a eprom ecu type more info on this call me !!

4. bmw network update NOT on motorcycles that is cars as the ecu is not the same the update is sent in cd format or thay can download them but most use disk as thay are over 600mb then thay load in into the Dealer Terminal

5. codes ref to starperformance if thay need the codes for cars to prog by odb for a fee i will sell them

if you chaps need answers to a question just call me as i dont get a lot of time to replay on forums not that fast at typing txt have fun all and ride safe .

geoff @ hilltop
 
Thanks Geoff

Thats answered a few questions, how many miles do you recommend on the bike before a remap mine has 1000 now?

Is it worth having de-cat headers before the remap?
 
Really interesting thread this and am toying with the idea of getting my 70k '05 done, but think it might be a bit past it to be worth it, decisions, decisions...

One thing which is strange and others have been kicking this about is the jump in figures sometimes quite significantly and then reporting no real difference other than a smoother response etc. Wierd.

Without knowing anything about dyno's do they all do this or can operators set it to say what ever they like? Seems like these big numbers are 'optimistic' and are distracting the real win of a smoother running bike which picks up at a drop of a hat.

John
 
One thing which is strange and others have been kicking this about is the jump in figures sometimes quite significantly and then reporting no real difference other than a smoother response etc. Wierd.

Motorvehicles are weird to humans, what we "feel" is entirely different to what machines measure.

I have had ridden bikes where tweaks have produced minimal gains, but the "feel" is much better, the word "crisp" springs to mind.

I have also experienced bigger power gains which can not really be noticed by the famously innacurate "arse dyno", although a 25% increase in power should be very noticeable both the the aforementioned arse, and the rate the numbers on the speedo increase at.

Dyno figures can be rigged, I am not for one moment suggesting Hilltop do this, but an operator can do a number of things that I am aware of, and probably more I am not.

A mate of mine had a bike worked on and got the "promised" results, but then noticed despite it being a consitently cool day the dyno readings for the after run had much hotter conditions showing suggesting someone had frigged the temp so the correction factor would make it appear like they got a better result.

"Flash" runs are another trick, the bike should be measured at "normal" temperature and you will have noticed Geoff doing a run or two before taking a proper reading to get the bike to normal temp. What can be done is a bike allowed too cool quite a bit, the oil will still be warm and thin, but the engine temp relatively cool, a quickly taken run at this point will give a better reading.

I have heard tyre pressures and even weight on seat can affect dyno readings a little and a combination of all the various tricks could probably allow for a fair skew of the real figures.

I know with the Hilltop setup you can see the bike being worked on, and hear the bike being run-up.

What everyone seems to agree on is smoother running and at least some performance gains, maybe modest, but noticeable - and the posted graphs do all tend to show a smoother power curve - this often hides the power gain as the bike loses the sudden take-off as it comes out of a power dip and onto a steep upward sweep - this can make fairly slow bikes feel much faster.

I used to have an RG500, this "felt" far faster than the GPZ900R I replaced it with, but the GPZ was considerably quicker in any comparison - top speed, SS1/4, 0-60 etc. just the way the RG500 came onto pipe made it feel mentally fast.
 
The age old trick to making bikes 'feel' faster is to oil the throttle cables and polish the seat. All good mechanics did this to Brit bikes back in the 60's. :D
 
Got there for my 3.00pm appointment on the RT, only to find I had been usurped by two bloody GSA's.

Anyway, went from 86bhp to 103bhp and 73ft/lb to 82ft/lb.

On the usual congested roads it is hard to notice the difference, but given the chance to explore the upper regions it is like 6th gear has been lowered to that of 5th etc.

Like the two GS owners I was sceptical, but I'm confident that when you explore the upper reaches of the rev range along with wider throttle openings you will notice the difference - I certainly did

Bean

It was posted on page 23

So there have been over 400 posts and thousands of viewings. I guess a couple of dozen have taken the plunge and coughed up the 300+ notes for the remap.

Other than 'the bike seems smoother' - can anyone vouch that their's feels 20+% stronger at max revs - I cant remember reading any posts to that effect and this has got too long to re-read :(

As I posted, I felt there was a real increase - trouble is I'm not sure how much more 20% feels like - would you bearing in mind you only get to use the real increase at larger throttle openings for short bursts? Did I feels masses of low end torque, no. But short of increasing the CC or force feeding it I doubt there is much to be had.

It is smoother and will now accelerate smoothly in 4th below 30mph whereas it wouldn't before, it would chug.

It's a 2007 RT with 42k on the clock, 16k I put on it over the past 12 months.

It cost much less than £400 and I am a happy customer. I do find it a little strange that some peeps will continue to cast doubt without any evidence.

Why not do a deal with the man and get a refund if you can't feel the difference - I seem to remember that being offered in one of the 400 odd posts?
 
Cos I don't have the time or funds to blow £360 on a marginal gain - hence the questions and i'm afraid the juries still out:aidan
 
Another happy remaper chipping in! 2011 twin cam, 2k since mine was done. IMHO well worth the money, I really don't care what the figures say or mean, the bike (which TBH I was quite happy with as standard) is so much nicer to ride and that's throughout the rev range. I particulaly like how you can hold onto a gear for longer and rolling on the throttle 2up at 5k is so much more responsive. If you want a faster bike with the same riding position go test ride an explorer. My GS is as fast as it needs to be to make progress on this congested isle of ours. So all you people sat on the fence, if you're expecting more speed go try something else, if you just want a crisper, more tractable and generally nicer bike to ride I don't think you'll be dissapointed

I think this sums it up, along with Giles Lamb's comments. I'm not knocking the higher max. BHP figures, but on the road that's mostly irrelevant. I don't know the exact figure, but I suspect most of the time we are using say, 20 - 50 BHP at most. What is relevant IMHO is the very real effect on mid-range, & tractabilty.
Where overtaking in particular is concerned I regard this as so useful. The opposite side of that white line is "enemy territory" so I suscribe to the philosophy of "Get out, get past, get back in, all ASAP".
I am impressed with the difference in running, & would recommend it.
 
ok it is this simple come and see me and i will re map your bike for you to try it ,if you don't like it i will put it back to a factory standard state and you dont pay me
 
Cos I don't have the time or funds to blow £360 on a marginal gain - hence the questions and i'm afraid the juries still out:aidan

An interesting view on marginal - but then again I'm not sure how many need to say it was money well spent to convince you.

But then again I fortunately I do have the time and funds.
 
ok it is this simple come and see me and i will re map your bike for you to try it ,if you don't like it i will put it back to a factory standard state and you dont pay me


There you go APE, Surrey is not too far from Leics, take the man up on his offer?
 
Sorry for delay in getting back chaps as I was up at Michael Dunlops place and giving him some advice for next years TT. He just wants to know should he keep the panniers on or not as he was aiming for a 135mph lap and I told him if he chooses an ADV he won't even have to stop for fuel :D

You can't beat a well ridden GS :thumb2

:)

I say keep the panniers on - I'd love to see the old production class start again, but it wouldn't see adventure bikes taking part - shame ;)
 
Stutter & stall

If my 12RT is declared fault free on Thursday despite its habit of stalling in traffic, I think the remap will be essential. I'm assuming that it'll fix the bike of its lumpy tickover & random stalling.
 
Maybe not. My intermittent problem seemed to be connected with the idle actuators. When connected to my GS-911 it appears to have corrected the issue
 
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