Ah, very good - I may be in the UK next weekend, but the new bike will only have around 1k on it - is it better to wait until the miles have been put on, or won't it make much difference?
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Ah, very good - I may be in the UK next weekend, but the new bike will only have around 1k on it - is it better to wait until the miles have been put on, or won't it make much difference?
Dunno exact specs of GS maps, but on many bikes each gear can be mapped individually as well as each cylinder.
A power commander can only add / remove a percentage of fuel based on rpm / throttle position and is the same for all gears.
An ECU remap can also alter timing which cannot be done with a Power Commander and on others with fly-by-wire systems you need to altert the timing of the throttle butterflies - again a remap can do this but a power commander cannot.
There is also nothing else to connect up / go wrong / find a place to fit / be dicovered by insurance assesor with a remap
The only real downside is you can't flog it on seperately when you get rid of the bike.
Just taken the bike up to the highlands for the weekend, first decent run post remap. I have to say its like a new bike. The graphs, although interesting don't really do justice to the increase in rideability. The linear nature of the torque delivery right from low end allows you to get decent drive out of corners in a gear higher than you'd normally have, so you're not shuffling through the box all the time, which is good when you're on a long run. The upper rev ranges are also more accessible with the absence of the "dip" which is 100% gone despite what the graphs may indicate.
You're crackers if you don't get it remapped to be honest!
You're crackers if you don't get it remapped to be honest!
I must have had a mental block.
You would flash and reprogram the ZFE for the fuel strip calibration.
was forgetting the fuel map was not influenced by the ZFE.
so might consider a remap.
I have full Remus + K&N filter and it is running a bit lean, AFR (13 to 1) under hard acceleration.
Is anyone organizing another group day.
You would flash and reprogram the ZFE for the fuel strip calibration.
was forgetting the fuel map was not influenced by the ZFE.
so might consider a remap.
I have full Remus + K&N filter and it is running a bit lean, AFR (13 to 1) under hard acceleration.
Is anyone organizing another group day.
Well, I am booked in for next Saturday morning.
Will get the bike done and then when we get it home I'll be able to compare it against the following bikes we have in the garage;
MY04
MY08
MY11 Triple Black
This should give a very good indication of on road use and acceleration - the above Triple Black has pulled 140mph indicated (I guess that is the usual 5% out though). Still a rough calc suggests that the DOHC is geared for 147mph and I'd suggest it needed around 130-135bhp at the crank to achieve close to it.
Fingers crossed it has a lot more than the earlier fairly stock GS's above
I am hoping for something that is a close as I am going to get from a aircooled boxer against the heavy Explorers and Crossrunners - if it is giving somewhere between 120 and 130bhp at the crank I'll be very pleased and it looks like over 125bhp is certainly achievable for a stock bike.
Will get the bike done and then when we get it home I'll be able to compare it against the following bikes we have in the garage;
MY04
MY08
MY11 Triple Black
This should give a very good indication of on road use and acceleration - the above Triple Black has pulled 140mph indicated (I guess that is the usual 5% out though). Still a rough calc suggests that the DOHC is geared for 147mph and I'd suggest it needed around 130-135bhp at the crank to achieve close to it.
Fingers crossed it has a lot more than the earlier fairly stock GS's above
I am hoping for something that is a close as I am going to get from a aircooled boxer against the heavy Explorers and Crossrunners - if it is giving somewhere between 120 and 130bhp at the crank I'll be very pleased and it looks like over 125bhp is certainly achievable for a stock bike.
I had mine (Twin Cam with 6000miles) remapped today with the following results:
BHP
Before: 78.89 bhp @ 7955 RPM:
After 103.26 bhp @ 7310 RPM [+30.9%]
Torque
Before: 66.25 Ft/lbs @ 3710 RPM
After: 82.64 Ft/lbs @ 5978 RPM [+24.7%]
Although maximum torque is achieved higher in the rev range there are is now over 70 Ft/lbs all the way from 2000 to 8000 revs.
The air fuel ratio was also way out. Before was between 15 and 19 the whole way through the range. After, it was nicely in Geoff's ideal range of 12.5 to 13.5.
All in all an amazing improvement. Feels like a different bike. More responsive, pulls like a train, more linear power etc.etc.
Can't see any downside to this mod and I think it is excellent value
Tom
BHP
Before: 78.89 bhp @ 7955 RPM:
After 103.26 bhp @ 7310 RPM [+30.9%]
Torque
Before: 66.25 Ft/lbs @ 3710 RPM
After: 82.64 Ft/lbs @ 5978 RPM [+24.7%]
Although maximum torque is achieved higher in the rev range there are is now over 70 Ft/lbs all the way from 2000 to 8000 revs.
The air fuel ratio was also way out. Before was between 15 and 19 the whole way through the range. After, it was nicely in Geoff's ideal range of 12.5 to 13.5.
All in all an amazing improvement. Feels like a different bike. More responsive, pulls like a train, more linear power etc.etc.
Can't see any downside to this mod and I think it is excellent value
Tom
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Edited - I must have missed the Twin Cam in your post.
Fantastic!!!
I am really looking forward to being able to hold off the old man's Triple Black on the mountain mile, once I have mine remapped
Edited - I must have missed the Twin Cam in your post.
Fantastic!!!
I am really looking forward to being able to hold off the old man's Triple Black on the mountain mile, once I have mine remapped
Wilsdorf
I am going to the Manx in a few weeks.
I also can't wait to see what it does up the mountain mile and at my other favourite bits like Ballaugh to Sulby or at the Veranda.
Tom
I am going to the Manx in a few weeks.
I also can't wait to see what it does up the mountain mile and at my other favourite bits like Ballaugh to Sulby or at the Veranda.
Tom
Dave's DN-01 got the remap treatment this afternoon after Toms GS (poor thing, its only done 400 miles). We had no idea what power it made or what a remap could produce, anyway Geoff did the business and found the DN-01 was quite restricted, but it isn't now as the graphs show. In automatic the power boost isn't so obvious as it is with our geared bikes, but using the paddles for max revs it goes like stink up through the preset ratios.
Before: 34.72 bhp .30.27 ft/lb torque
After: ..49.41 bhp .38.8 .ft/lb torque
Before: 34.72 bhp .30.27 ft/lb torque
After: ..49.41 bhp .38.8 .ft/lb torque
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Drop me a pm if you like and I'd be happy to meet up at some stage when you are over - it would be good to see how the bikes compare on parts of the course
Sounds like a Super Tenere in stock trim
Still gonna get mine re-mapped at some point to see what can be gained.
Most of the poor running is down to getting bikes through emissions and the GS is obviously very bad on that front.
Interestingly the before and after graphs look very similar to what Triumph claimed the difference was between the Press bikes and the ones the punters get. Hardly surprsing the GS tends to get such great reviews with never a mention of some of the rough running owners experience.
Apart from the press bikes were down on torque lower in the range - apparently ??
I am most looking forward to even better/smoother lower rev drive when cruising through towns etc. as this is when it is nice to be able to leave it in 5th or 6th and just tootle - too high a gear and it feels really lumpy. Also gearing on the earlier MY04 bikes etc. didn't lend so well to low speed handling in towns - too much clutch slipping required, the MY08's were better and MY10 even more so. The remap should make this even better. That said the Multistrada is a pig around town or at low revs, making anything less than 20-30mph a bit of a chore - after 40mph it really comes into its own though - I just prefer the look of the GS and my pillion prefers the seating and looks too.
I am most looking forward to even better/smoother lower rev drive when cruising through towns etc. as this is when it is nice to be able to leave it in 5th or 6th and just tootle - too high a gear and it feels really lumpy. Also gearing on the earlier MY04 bikes etc. didn't lend so well to low speed handling in towns - too much clutch slipping required, the MY08's were better and MY10 even more so. The remap should make this even better. That said the Multistrada is a pig around town or at low revs, making anything less than 20-30mph a bit of a chore - after 40mph it really comes into its own though - I just prefer the look of the GS and my pillion prefers the seating and looks too.
I've experience no rough running at all. I think the twin cam works well as standard and doesn't 'need' a remap. I do however understand the never ending quest for more power - but that doesnt mean there's an issue out of the box
I've never experienced what I would describe as rough running - but if the remap makes it smoother then I'll be pleased.
I come from sports bikes and found that they are too small for me these days, so tried a GS and loved it. I'd like it to be a bit more powerful and quicker.
I find the MY08 bike much better than all before it. It would be nice to have some slight improvement for on-off throttle, although the GS is by no means bad in this area - I just like a crisp throttle like, I used to be able to achieve with a well sorted dynojet and dyno time on my old carb bikes.
The throttle on the explorer is a joke - fly-by-wire may be the future, but like earlier fuel injection there is a long way to go before it's better. I don't see the point in using new tech until it is better than what you are replacing. Anyone trying Honda's first efforts of FI after a well set up carb bike will know exactly what I mean.
Quite simple I'd rather enjoy my riding, at whatever speed, rather than having to concentrate more on super smooth throttle openings so that I don't up set either my pillion, or the handling on the bike when coming out slow in fast out corners.
I come from sports bikes and found that they are too small for me these days, so tried a GS and loved it. I'd like it to be a bit more powerful and quicker.
I find the MY08 bike much better than all before it. It would be nice to have some slight improvement for on-off throttle, although the GS is by no means bad in this area - I just like a crisp throttle like, I used to be able to achieve with a well sorted dynojet and dyno time on my old carb bikes.
The throttle on the explorer is a joke - fly-by-wire may be the future, but like earlier fuel injection there is a long way to go before it's better. I don't see the point in using new tech until it is better than what you are replacing. Anyone trying Honda's first efforts of FI after a well set up carb bike will know exactly what I mean.
Quite simple I'd rather enjoy my riding, at whatever speed, rather than having to concentrate more on super smooth throttle openings so that I don't up set either my pillion, or the handling on the bike when coming out slow in fast out corners.
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might as well get a bus.
Many of us were getting mid 50's mpg (from a trip average of high 40's) during spirited but not balls out riding in the twisties in the Dolomites recently I seem to recall, filling with 98 or higher octane as available made no noticeable difference
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No buses available, when its after midnight and the only 24 hour garage is 50 miles away... I'll take the mpg thanks.
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