Remap by Hilltop Motorcycles

[bighair]

Remap or tech box

Hi can anyone tell me if they remapped Micky's bike or used tech box ?
Thanks

I can understand your cynicism and would be asking the same questions ...

Just as someone can get into to the magical workings of the 'bike computer then I'm sure that maybe the 'graphs' produced thereby can be 'sorted'

30% more powerful on the road? Dunno! Extra opening of the throttle can compensate for that maybe

My little G650XC, according to the graphs, produced a considerable increase in power and torque ... were the graphs 'fixed' by computer wizardry? Dunno!

I do know that in real terms the likkle 650 was smoother, picked up better, and returned better mpg .... adding a further 20 mile to it's meagre 11 litre tank range (on average)

It's also made it a fucking hoot to ride

 

[Pukmeister]

£1320 quid to blow 4 maps in,beat's working for a living.

Listen to the expert........

 

[Aran]

No time!

Having read this entire thread, I wish I could get my 12RT done before I take it to the Alps on the Sept 6th.


Aran

 

[Magnet]

Hi can anyone tell me if they remapped Micky's bike or used tech box ?
Thanks

Remap

 

[ebbo]

Having read this entire thread, I wish I could get my 12RT done before I take it to the Alps on the Sept 6th.


Aran

I'd make the effort if you can, make quite a difference on those mountain hairpins

Looks like I maybe making another visit with a friend 11 Sept, before our trip to Germany WooHoo!

 

[Wilsdorf]

OK...

Now that Grand Prix week is over, and out roads are a little quieter, we managed to try some real comparisons today, roll ons in 3rd and 4th and then some high speed through the gear acceleration.

Bike one Triple Black - no remap
Bike two Triple Black - remap

My conclusion is a very surprising one and certainly does not show any difference in bhp or torque on the road. i.e. no performance difference between the two bikes - in fact you would swear the two bikes had identical power - as we weigh about the same there was no advantage in power to weight either.

This is unlike the same comparison between the twin cams and my MY08 bike - where the is less than 5bhp between the bikes, and where the twin cam would come past at between 120 and 130 mph quite convincingly. With the two Triple Blacks out together you couldn't even get half a bike length on the other, whilst on the throttle.

I am sure the guys who were out on the S1000RR and the ZX10R, amongst others, enjoyed trying to keep up with us in any case

 

[APE]

My conclusion is a very surprising one and certainly does not show any difference in bhp or torque on the road. i.e. no performance difference between the two bikes - in fact you would swear the two bikes had identical power - as we weigh about the same there was no advantage in power to weight either.

How did your bike feel when you cranked open the throttle straight after the remap. Did it feel the same then ?

 

[Wilsdorf]

How did your bike feel when you cranked open the throttle straight after the remap. Did it feel the same then ?

I think it felt smoother pick up low down and my passenger commented the same at the time. I was generally pleased with the remap from that respect - I'll be riding the none mapped bike a bit to see what the low revs riding is like.

On my old fireblade with a 5-10bhp difference from a Power Commander and pipe you could notice stronger acceleration - clear bike lengths ahead compared to a standard bike. I must admit I did expect something similar if not better given the 30% difference in figures for my bike.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

I fitted a full Akraprovic evo system with a power commander v with the exhaust map from the power commander website to a standard 2012 gsa.

There was a big change to how the bike pulled pickup in 6th was like 5th. The bike was slightly better on fuel 55mpg at a steady 65-70mph from 48mpg.

The bike was a lot smoother at low revs and would pull clean and hard from about 2500rpm

I have now changed back to standard and feels slow and the throttle is not as responsive I think the evo system not having a cat is the key to getting the bike to run better and the power commander was just tidying up the fueling just to be safe.

 

[GS TRV]

OK...




I am sure the guys who were out on the S1000RR and the ZX10R, amongst others, enjoyed trying to keep up with us in any case

Yes I'm sure you really had them on the ropes!

 

[technotony007]

Yes I'm sure you really had them on the ropes!

Depends on the riders of course...

regards

T

 

[Wilsdorf]

I fitted a full Akraprovic evo system with a power commander v with the exhaust map from the power commander website to a standard 2012 gsa.

There was a big change to how the bike pulled pickup in 6th was like 5th. The bike was slightly better on fuel 55mpg at a steady 65-70mph from 48mpg.

The bike was a lot smoother at low revs and would pull clean and hard from about 2500rpm

I have now changed back to standard and feels slow and the throttle is not as responsive I think the evo system not having a cat is the key to getting the bike to run better and the power commander was just tidying up the fueling just to be safe.

When you say pick up in 6th was like 5th - do you mean at lower revs, or at higher speeds?

On one of today's laps I stupidly changed up to 6th too early (6th does not pull like 5th - at least not on the mountain mile it doesn't )and should have revved it out in 5th, which is plenty fast enough and almost twice the UK speed limit anyway.

 

[Wilsdorf]

Yes I'm sure you really had them on the ropes!

Thank goodness I can now use a line I hear kids use too much - "Whatever"!

Come over and go out for ride with us round the TT course and you can ride whatever bike you like and we'll see.

Had them on the ropes would be an understatement - they were unable to ride their (much more powerful and better handling) bikes at anywhere close to the speeds we were going - apart from on the straight bits and I can assure you that this is very far from unusual - I used to ride my Blade and before that my CBR6 maybe a little quicker but not as much as you would obviously like to believe.

As sensibly said above - it depends on the rider. & I'd happily point out that I am the slowest of the three GS riders when we go out. When you are riding a bike capable of 130mph+ that handles ok, it really does come down to which riders are happy holding 120mph+ round fast corners etc. and I can quite honestly say the GS is a very capable and surprising bike for most sports bike riders.

Comments like yours above really do make me laugh and I hear the same things a lot.

In fact, if I remember rightly - you already have an S1000RR - so bring it over. I'm not saying the GS is a quicker bike - far from it - but most riders of current sports are not any quicker on the more powerful bikes in real terms - maybe you are a faster rider.

Any way, I was simply recounting my actual day, that really did happen and seems to happen on regular basis when we have nice weather over here - take it any way you like.

 

[harry]

Go on, Trev, take it over

 

[GS TRV]

I was over for the TT in June and could have shown you the way round then. Must check on ferry timetable as I would happily oblige to show you that you're talking complete nonsense.

I would be buying my souvenir t-shirt in the pits while your bus would still be wheezing it's way up from the gooseneck.

Get real - if I had a quid for every time I've heard on this forum over the years that "you can't beat a well ridden GS" I'd be a rich man.

Bring it on. I might even limit myself to just one mono wheel past your barge before I switch to hyper drive

 

[Wilsdorf]

I'd be glad to see you over here - but...

Now you really are completely missing the point and even being a little rude, virtually calling someone a liar for recounting an actual event that took place only hours ago, whether or not you care to believe it or not - it is fact.

Read what I have stated above. Nowhere do I state the GS is faster than a current sports bike - because quite clearly it isn't. Maybe my comments were too flippant - but hey it was a nice Sunday ride out and I was having fun hustling my barge past everything.

The facts: I went out on one of my bikes today, which just happened to be the GS and me and the bike were faster than a S1000RR and a ZX10R - what is so hard to believe about that - although I'm sure you've never been able to out ride a faster bike - be sensible, this is a weekly occurrence over here - and I am sure with the GS being the best selling bike that there are some very fast riders who also own one.

A well ridden GS will regularly leave slower/less skilled/less experienced (insert whatever you like) sports bike riders behind - this just highlights the fact that most sports bikes are not well ridden - most GS's are not well ridden - hell most bikes full stop are not well ridden! Actually, as you have been to the TT this year then you will have seen this for yourself, so you only have to think back a matter of weeks and you know this is a fact. I am not saying a similar level rider on a GS will out ride a sports bike, as that would be silly.

You seem to have taken offence that someone owning the same bike as you couldn't ride it as fast as you would have liked, or perhaps you are capable of - well they didn't and unfortunately, they were not you. I am sure plenty of other riders could have made their S1000RR go quicker than the guy who was out today - but he was trying (just like the ZX10R and quite a few other bikes - as it gets quite busy with bike riders on sunny days) and unfortunately HE was not a quick enough rider to keep up with a GS (he was much quicker in a straight line but much slower on the corners) - shame we didn't have full luggage on as I'd have found that even funnier.

I'd also be a hell of a lot closer to the pits than the Gooseneck - even if you are as quick as you think/state you are. For reference I think Mat Oxley took the original 45bhp production TZR250 round the TT course at over 100mph average - I am sure a twin cam GS would be a hell of a lot quicker than that and the fastest full race spec S1000RR's weren't as quick as the CBR's or GSXR's round here and we ride on open roads

I am not challenging you to a race around the course by the way - but if you are not surprised at how quick a GS can be hustled round here then I'd be the one who's surprised and I'll even buy you a pint.

 

[Blackal]

Yay! (this might have been funnier - if I'd got it in 5 mins earlier........................)

 

[Wilsdorf]

lol

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

When you say pick up in 6th was like 5th - do you mean at lower revs, or at higher speeds?

On one of today's laps I stupidly changed up to 6th too early (6th does not pull like 5th - at least not on the mountain mile it doesn't )and should have revved it out in 5th, which is plenty fast enough and almost twice the UK speed limit anyway.

It was at all speeds I could just roll on the power for overtakes where before I was changing down to do the same thing.

 

[Goose]

right ... who's selling tickets to this event?