Remap by Hilltop Motorcycles

[Bryn]

Lets add to the mix everyone that has not informed their insurers about the end can, luggage, k&N filter, HID's, wally flaps , stubby, LED indicators, small number plate etc.etc. etc.

I'd hazard a guess that if Accident investigators want to pull the bike to pieces and send the engine off for testing, you're already dead ( oh, and that doesn't happen )

 

[Sgt Bilco]

Its a pity they are so far away, id like to have a remap, but its a fair run doon fae Moray

I run a PC3 and had it dyno'd to get the same result so that's an option. The remap looks good but you can get your bike mapped to run just the way you want it with the above set up.

I wanted a lot of low down power because and mine pulls like a train to 6500rpm then the power drops off which is the way I like it. I've got around 10 mpg better in most condition as well and had it showing 68mpg in the US last year

A remap and a PC3 or 5 set up gives similar results and either one makes the bike a much nicer ride IMHO.

 

[ebbo]

Its a pity they are so far away, id like to have a remap, but its a fair run doon fae Moray

Peps have mailed their complete ECU to him from America so that maybe another option for you

 

[karlp]

Interesting point!!! I wonder how many people on here have notified their insurers that their bikes have been remapped ??
All leading to an invalid insurance policy if they haven't I suppose.

Nobody need worry about it, I don't think there is any way to tell its been modified in the first place.[/QUOTE]

That's an extremely naive viewpoint. Insurance companies will do all they can to explore different avenues if they think there's any chance of mischief at fault. You've also overlooked an area such as the police accident investigation section. Believe me its easier than you think to find out what's been done.[/QUOTE]

Any insurance company will consider the cost of investigating the possibility of a modification against the insurance payout.

Just think whay the cost would be to test a bike to see if it has been altered in some way.

Firstly dyno the engine - and as most are below manufacturers spec - any remap will probably show that it is now reaching manufactures spec - so no advantage in that.

If they do suspect further then the ECU has to be investigated etc, etc.

A PC3 or 5 is much easier to spot - just look under the seat and there there it is in full view

However if you have just run into the back of a Ferrari then different story as the insurance stakes are much higher

 

[Bendy toy]

The usual reason remap is when a posh pipe has been fitted. The insurance will ask if its a performance upgrade or just an equivalent replacement.

An Akra twin can "race" pipe like mine is going to be hard to pass off as a simple replacement. I have no choice but to declare the pipe its just daft not to.

 

[Paul Wakefield]

Out of curiosity, has anybody on here declared the remap? If so, what was the impact on the insurance costs?

 

[Dave The Driver]

Out of curiosity, has anybody on here declared the remap? If so, what was the impact on the insurance costs?

My PC 5 and it cost me nothing

 

[seahorse]

Out of curiosity, has anybody on here declared the remap? If so, what was the impact on the insurance costs?

Not me.

 

[Goose]

Working in the Insurance industry as a loss adjuster......... in my opinion, the remap is NOT a modification at all - merely a re-setting of the ECU to what the bike was designed for in the first place!

The fact that these bikes are "throttled" by EU3/4 regulations, technically means that the ECU's are re-mapped by the factory to comply with EU regulations and cause more damage to the running of the engine.

All that Geoff's doing it really "resetting" the ECU to what it should be if there were no EU regs...........

 

[Blackal]

Mmmm.............. I'm not so sure.

I would say that "standard" is how they leave the factory, whether you perceive this to be "throttled" from what it was intended.........

If you alter the bike from "standard" - then I would say that you "should" inform the insurers.

We all take risks in motorcycling, the ultimate mitigation of that risk is that we are insured, should it go horribly wrong.

I wouldn't want to be arguing the toss with the underwriters in that event - even if they only succeeded in delaying payout while you prove your point

Al

 

[ebbo]

in my opinion, the remap is NOT a modification at all - merely a re-setting of the ECU to what the bike was designed for in the first place!

Working on the principle that insurance companies are just looking for a reason not to pay out... its a modification.

 

[tanneman]

hi all let me start by saying I don't get a lot of time to get on forums so if I don't reply to the post please don't think I'm being ignorant ,so at this point i will introduce my self i am Geoff from hilltop motorcycles ,so in reply to the concerns over warranty, the dealers do not have the ability to back read the engine management part of the ecu,the only one that has the ability to back read the ecu is the factory so I safeguard my firmware by putting a trigger lock on it, only if the ecu sees a factory code from the factory it will reset to a factory std sate thus protecting your warranty and my forumware ,so a dealer cannot override the mapping or back read it in anyway with an up date ,if you need more info just give me a call on 01455 848522 .ps thank you all for the comments on my work it means a lot as i have invested a lot of time and cash in to factory ecu programming and engine management software design

From the horses mouth (post count 51). The insurance cannot access the ECU to determine if there has been a modification. In any way it would be like having a BMW press bike. If you don't know anything about software the simplest way to explain it would be that the factory code is the delete key and you will need that code to determine the file size or read the mapping information/set up. Hope this clears the confusion about the Hilltop remap and insurance.

I hope to have some money to spend on a remap by Geoff and I won't be informing my insurance.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Had mine done on saturday on the way to the cotswolds with my girlfriend on the back plus luggage and all the other stuff girls have to take.

It was like getting on a different bike! the power delivery is so much smoother and stronger and more manageble in as much as that in towns, pre remap, i found the bike surging or hunting as it was never possible to be in the perfect gear now stick it in a highish gear and there you go.
Overtaking is better and easier to plan due to the increase in power and where it is delivered. i could go on and on as to how pleased i am but everyone else has done it before me !

P>S power up from 86 at the wheel to 102 !!

i havent tried letting it rip on my own yet but cant wait

 

[ebbo]

Had mine done on saturday on the way to the cotswolds with my girlfriend on the back plus luggage and all the other stuff girls have to take.

It was like getting on a different bike! the power delivery is so much smoother and stronger and more manageble in as much as that in towns, pre remap, i found the bike surging or hunting as it was never possible to be in the perfect gear now stick it in a highish gear and there you go.
Overtaking is better and easier to plan due to the increase in power and where it is delivered. i could go on and on as to how pleased i am but everyone else has done it before me !

P>S power up from 86 at the wheel to 102 !!

i havent tried letting it rip on my own yet but cant wait

Glad you like it, makes a huge difference to Some bikes, got the whole day off tomorrow to play on mine, the forecast looks good

 

[ThorH]

Thanks Geoff for coming in and clearing things up.

Looking back at Micky’s before and after dyno graphs (from pg3 this tread) just shows what a difference remapping makes, these bikes run so lean to meet emissions regs it’s no wonder they run like a bag of cr*p.

Micky’s graphs for an F800GS single reposted below

Before

After

Am I right that several of the posted graphs are like these? Initial run, Air Correction SAE. Final run, ISA. ISA is also called DIN, is this right?

So, what does this mean? Found this interesting view:

- SAE-J1349 the one that seems to work best! And is used by lots of dyno companies as default.

- DIN 70020 Also popular, and used by people who like bigger numbers! In a lot of conditions it gives figures a few percent higher than the rest.​

http://www.dynamometer-info.co.uk/automotive-dyno-correction-factors.htm

 

[Bendy toy]

Who cares? Simply work out the %age change. The final data should be before and after using the same program. I'm sure Hilltop have too much reputation at stake to massage the figures with different measurement methods.

 

[ThorH]

I would think it is fairly obvious why we should care. How could you calculate the % improvement? You said it yourself: To be able to compare the two, the measurements need to be the same. And they are not, and thus potentially misleading. And that was my question. How much difference does this make, and why is it done like this?

For what it is worth, my bike has also been Hilltopped. Only the ECU went, thus no dyno, but I'm happy with the result after the first short trip yesterday. So just curious.

Btw, I guess this one with 44.25 hp was a F650 single and not a F800.

 

[Bendy toy]

I said if both are the same method we need not care. But one measurement method is used for before and another for after I would want to know why.

That said, the differences are probably only the odd "bhp" here or there but apples dont compare with pears etc.

 

[seahorse]

But one measurement method is used for before and another for after I would want to know why.

Looking at the charts posted earlier on this thread, including my own, they quote same standard before and after.

 

[ebbo]

Only the ECU went, thus no dyno, but I'm happy with the result after the first short trip yesterday

Running well is it? I wonder what did with that ECU...