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Have pulled out of insuring ‘modern’ motorcycles. They will only do so if the insured person also has a classic motorcycle to insure at the same time. It makes no difference that the insured person has a classic (in my case, vintage) car to insure.

All in all, the previously very good service, which in my case started to slip last April, has deteriorated much further. They are not, in my opinion, the very efficient, pretty flexible insurer / broker they once were.
 
Have pulled out of insuring ‘modern’ motorcycles. They will only do so if the insured person also has a classic motorcycle to insure at the same time. It makes no difference that the insured person has a classic (in my case, vintage) car to insure.

All in all, the previously very good service, which in my case started to slip last April, has deteriorated much further. They are not, in my opinion, the very efficient, pretty flexible insurer / broker they once were.

I had reason to speak to them 2-3 weeks ago and they were quite happy to quote to add another newer bike - (less than 2 years old) for the princely sum of £16.80 (no admin fees either)
Same person who I have spoken too in the past
Same great service
I do own & insure some motorcycles that are over 20 years old though, already on the policy

Try Lynbrook instead
 
As I said in my opening post, modern motorcycles are now only possible if you have a ‘classic’ (ie old’ish) motorcycle to insure, too.

Several years ago, I moved to RH as they were one of the very few insurance providers that could offer a true and competitive ‘multi-vehicle’ single policy. This was when they operated out of offices in Brentwood, Essex. They offered excellent service. I had nine vehicles with them, including a 1932 Frazer Nash, all on one policy. Things went awry last April when RH failed to send me a renewal offer, I had to chase them with only days to go. They then ‘forgot’ to insure two of the vehicles on the multi-vehicle policy, culminating in me receiving a letter from Essex constabulary saying I was driving an insured vehicle.

They then, in the autumn, rang me up demanding that I pay them an additional premium, dating back to April. It transpired that the premium they had quoted me, which I had accepted and paid, was wrong. In a word, I refused. They became increasingly heated, whilst admitting that they had cocked-up. A broker’s cock-up is not my problem, I wasn’t (many months after inception) going to shell out more money, just so their inefficient books would balance. I was obliged to write to their senior manager, to have the matter resolved and closed. She, very apologetic, assured me that it was all down to a change in ‘systems’ and would not happen again.

Roll on to last week. My policy renews at the end of the month. Last Friday I added another ‘modern’ bike to the policy, no problem, paying a small additional premium to the end of the month. At the same time, I expressed some surprise that, with about two weeks to go, I had not received a renewal offer…..

By yesterday morning, I still had not received a renewal offer, so I contacted the same senior manager and reminded her of the fiasco of last year. By return, a renewal offer came in and….. yup, several vehicles were missing again! Back I went to RH, pointing out that history was repeating itself.

Back came another quote, this time with more vehicles on it. I checked it and spotted that the motorcycles were all missing. I was then glibly told that ‘modern’ motorcycles (without a classic bike) were no longer possible.

In short:

Two years of late renewal quotes, which I (the customer) had to chase for.

Two years of missing vehicles, which I (the customer) have had to spot.

Two years of premium quotations that are wrong, requiring me (the customer) to point out their errors.

The unannounced dropping of the insuring of modern motorcycles. I (the customer) had to spot that the bikes were missing from the schedule and then ask why.

All this from a supposedly bespoke insurance provider. This is despite me being promised, last August, by a senior manager that the system error had been fixed (she told me lots of people were affected) and everything was being moved from Cardiff back to head office, where a bespoke service would resume. That proved not to be the case. It is unacceptable on any level.

RH come under the A-Plan (part of the Howden group) banner. I shall be writing to tell them. That I can assure you.


I quite happily recommended RH on the UKGSer forum, as a bespoke insurance provider, capable of issuing a single ‘multi-vehicle’ policy, including a vintage car valued at close on £400,000. I had no hesitation in doing so. But, by the same token, when things go badly wrong twice in two years, then I have no hesitation in telling the same forum. I have written to the head of RH, explaining my frustration and disappointment. Let’s see what happens next.


PS There is no doubt the bizarre circumstance that, if I were to buy a car boot sale, non-running, old ‘classic’ - classic being dictated by age, nothing more - motorcycle or moped and add it to the schedule, keeping it in a hedge on my brother-in-law’s farm, then the two ‘modern’ bikes would be insured. That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
A sorry tale and not one I have experienced

As in my game, with banks and banking - they all go from excellent to good to poor to shite in cycles - then back to the beginning

Rinse & Repeat

Same for insurance as we are reminded

Only good one I have found is NFU mutual - but they don’t bikes and are far from cheap - but I like their way of doing business

As I said earlier-try Lynbrook
 
I am going to call Lynbrook and a couple of other specialist brokers.

We at work now have an in-house ‘Private clients’ team. They quoted for me last year but were within a £100 or so of RH, so I just stuck with RH. I’ll give them a go, too.
 
Based on your previous recommendation I insured with them (some years ago now!) but have subsequently moved to Bemoto.
They have been good and amenable to removing premium increases when challenged.
The limitation with them is that 6 is the maximum number on that policy.
In the past one could get round that because there is no admin charge for changes to the policy, or increases in the premium.
This year however when I wanted to include my 1957 Velocette Venom I was told that the underwriters wouldn’t insure that bike ( a 500) but they would insure a Viper (a 350)!
And the logic of that is . . . . ???:confused::blast
 
Have pulled out of insuring ‘modern’ motorcycles. They will only do so if the insured person also has a classic motorcycle to insure at the same time. It makes no difference that the insured person has a classic (in my case, vintage) car to insure.

All in all, the previously very good service, which in my case started to slip last April, has deteriorated much further. They are not, in my opinion, the very efficient, pretty flexible insurer / broker they once were.

gone the same way as others, like Carole Nash it seems, where a niche service is diluted and commodified after a takeover by a large corporation
 
The ‘Head of RH’ has called me.

ERS, the Lloyd’s syndicate, has pulled out of insuring ‘modern’ motorcycles. She appreciates the misfit whereby I can go out and buy a bag of bits of a ‘Classic’ motorcycle and its associated V5, whereupon ERS will insure it and as many ‘modern’ motorcycles as I like. She can also understand the misfit, where the same syndicate, quite happily insures my GT4, sat on the road 24/7/365 in London E1 but will not insure say a ‘modern’ scooter, garaged at the same address.

I offered to go into Lloyd’s to talk to the underwriter to explain the illogical nature of it all.

Anyway, RH are on the case, as are my colleagues and a couple of other brokers. We’ll see what happens next.
 
Hanging on the wise words of Wapping eg al, as I have a renewal coming up in 6 weeks covering 4 or 5 motorcycles. Fortunately 1 of them is nearly 70 years old and one is 20 this month, so hopefully that will leaven the loaf sufficiently for them to also cover the (expensive) Goldwing, something that C Nash choked on last year (or rather, the underwriters they used)…..which lead me to Bikesure.

So based on this thread (and others) my quote list now reads:

Lynbrook
Bikesure
C Nash
Bennets

All input and advice welcome.
 
Hanging on the wise words of Wapping eg al, as I have a renewal coming up in 6 weeks covering 4 or 5 motorcycles. Fortunately 1 of them is nearly 70 years old and one is 20 this month, so hopefully that will leaven the loaf sufficiently for them to also cover the (expensive) Goldwing, something that C Nash choked on last year (or rather, the underwriters they used)…..which lead me to Bikesure.

So based on this thread (and others) my quote list now reads:

Lynbrook
Bikesure
C Nash
Bennets

All input and advice welcome.
 
Had my renewal from RH/ ERS three weeks ago. It had gone up, probably due to the fact they listed me as having four bikes rather than two. Two of the bikes I sold in early 2022 and were previously removed.

They advised following the “ takeover” data was migrated across from the S.Wales office. I was nervous enough to switch on the principle if they are unsure what they are insuring it doesn’t augur well in the event of a claim.
 
The ‘migration’ movement started over a year ago. So far (at least for me) it’s not been the greatest success.
 
Hanging on the wise words of Wapping eg al, as I have a renewal coming up in 6 weeks covering 4 or 5 motorcycles. Fortunately 1 of them is nearly 70 years old and one is 20 this month, so hopefully that will leaven the loaf sufficiently for them to also cover the (expensive) Goldwing, something that C Nash choked on last year (or rather, the underwriters they used)…..which lead me to Bikesure.

So based on this thread (and others) my quote list now reads:

Lynbrook
Bikesure
C Nash
Bennets

All input and advice welcome.

Is Footman James on the list?


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The best bet, as always, is to call as many insurance providers as possible. There are few, if any, definite shortcuts.
 
Martin: they could not swallow the Goldwing value when I tried them 2 years ago. Worth trying again?


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Always worth trying again as the value of the bike will be lower.

It seems many underwriters do not like insuring new bikes of higher values in the first year due to the "replace with a new one" clause for that first year. Once the bike is over a year old, they can offer a repair or market value if stolen. I did not encounter this problem with a new R1200RS in 2016 as the bike was under £15k. In 2017 I bought a new Explorer and a number of underwriters would not insure it as it was £18k. I could not get a 2 bike policy at a sensible price either, so insured them separately.

It is pretty silly really, when you think some versions of a Ford Fiesta will cost more than your Goldwing.
 
RH sent me a text yesterday. They think they might have fixed the problem with Equity Red Star, the existing underwriter.

Fingers crossed.

All they then need to do is sharpen up their act over getting the vehicles right.
 


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