Rideout Route and Pics needed for RiDE Magazine

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Gog yn y De said:
THE best roads in North Wales is the A55 and the M4 in the South. Stick to these two roads and you can't go wrong, especially if you're heading east :P

You tosser!

The last time I was on the M4 it was heading west - and the A55 come to that!

:dabone

Greg
 
C'mon guys, the girl is only trying to do her job!

If we play nice, we might all blag a free test ride on some exotic sportsbike next year! Scratch your back and you scratch mine kinda deal.

So how about it Emma@Emap? If we give you some routes, you promise to get your colleagues to take us out on your RiDE/Bike/MCN test rides? We sell the places you offer to raise money for our designated charity. Everyone is a winner! (A win win situation ... in management speak)

Looking forward to your reply!
 
Thanks for all the people who've helped and to the rest of you who've taken offence at my being here then I'm very sorry. In future I shall leave you GS boys alone.

But, whilst some of you feel the 'rest' of the motor cycle community (non-trail bike riders, 'powerangers' and so on) can be used as the scapegoat for speed restrictions on previously 'enjoyable' public roads, it seems the government are targeting you off-roaders and using you as a scapegoat for ruining the countryside. And as a result green-laning is now being banned.

It's a circle of hate, alright... That's why I thought all bikers should stick together - It appears that, to the public, government, ramblers and rural residents anyone who chooses two wheels is a hooligan. GS or no GS.
 
Maybe it's a good thing your here to get a broader view of how some people feel about biking in general, especially towards sports bike riders which Bike Mags tend to think is all thats worth riding. It's like some people may say your doing a good thing now you have more GS's and this type of bike featured in the MAG (yes I'm an avid reader of RIDE and it's great to see that your guys are coming round to our way of thinking, you don't need a race bike to have fun, it's about time), some may say it now means everyone is going to buy GS's and spoil our minoritys on the roads. Either way Don't take it personaly, the problem is there are large sections of the biking community that hate what Race/Sports bikes are doing for Biking

But refering to your question,For me all routes can be fun (I'm on a GS :-) the difference is I can cut corners ;-)
 
EmmRiDE said:
Thanks for all the people who've helped and to the rest of you who've taken offence at my being here then I'm very sorry. In future I shall leave you GS boys alone.
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You bunch of TOSSERS... you spend all your timing hanging around with hairy arsed fat bokes complaing that the fat bloke:nice girl ratio is way of sync and then you piss off the first one to take intrest in you for months.

:tosser

TOSSERS quite apt with the people/lady skills I've seen :D
 
Emma,

Why don't you come and join us on the post christmas run, then you can see the roads we like for yourself.

P.S. Strongly recommend a big trailie and an extra pair of Xmas socks.
 
Wreford Miles said:
You bunch of TOSSERS... you spend all your timing hanging around with hairy arsed fat bokes complaing that the fat bloke:nice girl ratio is way of sync and then you piss off the first one to take intrest in you for months.

:tosser

TOSSERS quite apt with the people/lady skills I've seen :D

Said in jest I'm sure :)

But the fact that a female RiDE employee asked for information for an article rather than a male employee makes no difference.

I think it’s cheeky to post a request for people to submit a ride report with pictures in their magazine, if you read the first post by EmmRiDE, that’s what she’s asking for, not just a list of road numbers.

We're looking for great routes to include in our Readers' Rides section of the mag.
We need your route length, duration, step by step directions and some great photos too as well as a few words on why your route is great.

It seems that the people who buy RiDE magazine aren’t sending them in and they need to go out and find them and EmmRiDE has been tasked with the job. We have a forum here for GSers that has just what she’s asking for “Event / Ride Out Aftermaths” .

Perhaps it’s a reflection of how the internet and the individuals who use it are squeezing out the publishers of magazines and media.

If you want to know about biking routes your look here and read about people who ride the same bike as you and where they’ve been and see lots of pictures of their rides. Not just a thrash on a loaned bike by a journo and a couple of arty pictures like in the magazines.

If you want to know about what gear to buy then you look here and see find peoples experiences of it, you can ask them questions and get down to earth answers not opinions swayed by advertising money and freebies.

If you want technical info you look here and get “hands on” info from diy mechanics and professionals not general techie guides aimed to cover all kinds of bike like in the mags.

Its sad EmmRiDE got the shitty end of the stick when she was asked to trawl forums looking for people to submit ride reports for he employers, but that’s her job.

As for her comment, “It's a circle of hate, alright... That's why I thought all bikers should stick together” well I think we are sticking together but not via the pages of her magazine sold solely for profit.

Just my opinion, ride safe Emm :thumb
 
EmmRiDE said:
Thanks for all the people who've helped and to the rest of you who've taken offence at my being here then I'm very sorry. In future I shall leave you GS boys alone.

But, whilst some of you feel the 'rest' of the motor cycle community (non-trail bike riders, 'powerangers' and so on) can be used as the scapegoat for speed restrictions on previously 'enjoyable' public roads, it seems the government are targeting you off-roaders and using you as a scapegoat for ruining the countryside. And as a result green-laning is now being banned.

It's a circle of hate, alright... That's why I thought all bikers should stick together - It appears that, to the public, government, ramblers and rural residents anyone who chooses two wheels is a hooligan. GS or no GS.

Emma, I am one of the people who declined to divulge my 'favourite roads'. That does not mean that I take offence at you being here, neither does it mean that I "hate" all powerangers as you call them (I have never used that term in my life).
But it is sadly the case that wheras in the past we could ride marginally in excess of the speed limit when safe to do so, on mainly good terms with the plod that were around, now it has turned into a war between bikers who seem to treat public roads as a continuation of track days and over zealous police (eg. North Wales) who have been given all the ammunition they need to declare war on bikers.
It has nothing to do with my GS, I felt the same on my FJ1200.
A recent magazine article gave 'experts tips' (cannot remember which mag), including 'blind undertaking'! - sorry, but I am not going to divulge my favourite roads to that mindset.
Nothing personal, nothing hateful, & nothing to do with a GS!
Steve
 
Whatton said:
As for her comment, “It's a circle of hate, alright... That's why I thought all bikers should stick together” well I think we are sticking together but not via the pages of her magazine sold solely for profit.

Er... that's business

And I for one are gratefull that people make the effort to make money out of magazines.

And what Emma is doing is called research and the web has made it a lot easier to network and get a much higher quality information from a broader base.

So good on her for being direct and asking the question it'll save a lot of time pissing about and as for the quality... i'd sooner have a ride report playgarised from an old hand than from a newbie jurno who writes well and means well but has not had the opportunity to fine tune and compare routes.
 
Wreford Miles said:
Er... that's business

And what I was trying to say was that people don't need her business anymore. Theres nothing in a bike magazine you can't find on the internet.
 
Depending on how emma treats this.. Ride magazine could gain or lose a lot of readers

the way she posted looks more like she was taking the easy way out and not reading through the forum...but more of a hit and run to get easy info..i hope i'm wrong...we'll know soon enough :D

That said i hope the mag get there act together and realise that not every good road has to do with the road its-self but some of the things you can do along the way.
A good blast out is good sometimes..but a scenic run with stops for points of interest can be every bit as good if not better ;)

If Ride use any of our routes or parts of them i hope they will give full credit and a link to this site.

if not prepare to be ridiculed by us lot of bikers and a downshift in sales from the GS community :(

do it right and you'll get more Mag sales :)

Also while i might have your attention i wish bike mags would start doing proper reviews on stuff like the vast range of panniers intercoms/radios available and other stuff that really matter to bikers like us. (not a nice pic and a blurb from the manufacturer)

and when i say review i don't mean the usual looks goods its' light nice fittings type crap but a review as someone who would use them everyday...

I'm feed up with magazines that are full of bollox no interest to no one type of articles..less gloss more substance :thumb
 
EmmRiDE said:
Thanks for all the people who've helped and to the rest of you who've taken offence at my being here then I'm very sorry. In future I shall leave you GS boys alone.

But, whilst some of you feel the 'rest' of the motor cycle community (non-trail bike riders, 'powerangers' and so on) can be used as the scapegoat for speed restrictions on previously 'enjoyable' public roads, it seems the government are targeting you off-roaders and using you as a scapegoat for ruining the countryside. And as a result green-laning is now being banned.

It's a circle of hate, alright... That's why I thought all bikers should stick together - It appears that, to the public, government, ramblers and rural residents anyone who chooses two wheels is a hooligan. GS or no GS.

Here in Wales, we already have a high casualty rate with the "weekend bikers" who come from all over UK, then proceed fling themselves and their bikes at the scenery, both mobile and static. They generally only ride during summer months and very often ride beyond their own capabilities. I have friends living near a certain West Wales bikers meeting venue, and they hate weekends and all the noise and reckless riding that goes on around there from April to October.

The big fear here, is that by printing good biking roads and tapping into local rider knowledge, it will increase the popularity of this area, thereby increasing anti-bike feeling which in turn leads to higher casualty figures and a much heavier policing policy on these roads. And there is the real "circle of hate" that you mentioned. As a mater of fact, the article that was in your sister magazine, BIKE, advocated and encouraged overtaking across a double white line, while one of your own magazines journos proudly listed all of the crashes and write-offs he has had within frighteningly few years of riding as he feels he has to "push the envelope further" each time he gets on a motorcycle.

You are right that all bikers should stick together, as we are under increasinly stringent scrutiny both from the UK government and out Continental friends in Brussels or Strasbourg or wherever they hang out during the week. Emma, I understand that you are just doing your job and the Internet has made access to information so much easier, but you are in an extremely privilaged position, (as indeed are all biking journos), and you have done far more miles and visited far more countries on many different motorcycles since passing your test earlier this year than most bikers have the pleasure of doing in many years, so do not be too hasty in your judgement of GSers or any other bikers who choose not to accept your offer of "15 minutes of fame" as a monthly magazine star. Many riders choose to ride green lanes and will testify that most damage is done by 4 x 4s, thats why there are usually 2 ruts, one either side of the track!

Part of the whole GS thing is a fairly boisterous sense of humour, (not, as reported in RIDE, a complete avoidance of deodorant and shaving implements!), so, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, as this forum is rarely for the sensitive types! Good riding Emma! :thumb
 
Well done Longdog, an excellent post that sums up very nicely my feelings on the subject. In particular you mentioned a couple of artices. One condoned overtaking on double white lines. I hope I never meet that stupid bastard riding in Wales! The other was by a guy who had had several serious crashes on the road, and was just starting to think about his riding style. He even made the statement that he wasn't really worried before, as he knew what mistakes he had made! What a pair of w___ers.
I would do anything to keep peeps like that out of Wales and off our roads.
 
Does Emma from Ride want to take a spin herself?

What about coming riding with me... I don't have a very large list of roads, but some people I've spoken with can't seem to believe that I went from pedal power to R1200GS in about 7 weeks... that's got to worth a magazine page surely?

Longdog, you want to be carefull when apportioning blame for trail degradation?
Parts of the Pennie Way have been tarmaced for quite some time.

Motorcycles are often perceived as noisy, primarily due to short exhausts and a desire to maintain speed and hence engine revs. The 4x4 on the otherhand tend to often have good exhausts, unless the get battered too much, and the engine speeds are generally low due to the desire to produce torque over power, which is why the old Rover V8's were popular before the more high tech turbo diesels came along.

Most byway traffic is done by LandRovers on a statistical basis, but the maximum wheel sizes are typically 235 or 7.50 on 16" rims, and these can create deep ruts, often characterised by a third rut in the middle as a result of the axle casing grounding out... and if that happens, you're generally in a rut left from a tractor...

What is needed is careful management, not a total ban, it won't take long for the lanes to become so overgrown that people won't be able to walk down them... When I 'used' to go out and about in Lancashire, Wales, Yorkshire, Derbyshire and Cheshire, I would meet a few people walking dogs and the like, often having left a car blocking the exit to the lane! Generally most people didn't have a problem with me trundling past, and are generally not the committed rambler type with rucksacs and ord.survey maps, just a pair of boots and a waterproof.

An awful lot of footpaths round my immediate area aren't used at all, and virtually no trace remains of them, but the old cart horse trails are all still visible, and the council has tried to maintain them, and indeed my local 4x4 group does a lot along those lines... We spent weeks practically rebuilding one lane with salvaged hardcore and redug the drains and ditches, fantastic job! The council used tarmac on the next lane over, and after one winter I went to drive it with a couple of standard LandRovers and mine was the only one that got down the tarmac section without picking up any body damage... the ruts were so deep and zigzagging along you could've broke something just trying to walk down the lane.

The problem is, the boom in 4x4 use led to an increase of traffic in the general area, and the pristine body brigade circumnavigate any difficult bits, thereby spreading the problem from the tricky stone path to the delicate grassy bits, and you end up with something like a brown M62 to Yorkshire.

Of course, perhaps this boom is coming to an end, thanks to the petrol price, why else do you think I wanted a motorbike? :thumb
 


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