Road speed limits change consultation

If they know what cause the accidents, they'll know if speed is the cause of them....

But lets face it - it most likely isn't! But it's an excuse to drop it for no reason & send out the Camera Vans
 
Hopefully the delivery companies, evri, dhl, yodel etc will let those making the decision know that deliveries to and in Scotland will cost more as it will take longer to drive around.
 
Only thing that needs to change is to bring Scotland up to 50mph for LGV’s on single carriageway .

They’d do better by sorting the bad driver problem.
On a simple level , the idiot who turns right on a R/A From the left lane with no signal.
No a more serious level, the driver who does 80 in a 30 being pursued by the police causes multiple car damage eventually stuffed it into a wall.
He’s a disqual driver . No. Licence. No insurance, no mot, pool car. He’s given a small fine, 20 days community stuff, 6 months suspended sentence.
And the best of all, a years driving ban. BTW , this is the 4th time he’s done similar things. What should have happened is a public flogging/ execution.
 
stever1 said:
They’d do better by sorting the bad driver problem.
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But that implies some actual work.
Not just dotting more speed cameras, counting the money, an pretending you have done something for the greater good.
 
I've worked with enough people in Scottish Government to know that they often have a firm view of the line they want to take albeit for political reasons and being seen to be different to England.
However it always surprises me how few people actually bother formally responding to Scottish Government consultations.
- Bitching about things being a foregone conclusion on an internet forum will not reach those who make these decisions.
- If we don't reply and get our voices heard then, like Wales, these Scotland wide speed limit changes may be pushed through.

It also strikes me that politicians have an unrealistic expectation of how a simple change might reduce and influence the numbers of road casualties; people were injured and died on the roads in the days of horse and cart The news briefing announcing this consultation talks of reducing deaths circa 200 over 60 years i.e. 3/4 per year. That's a small number over a long period when you are talking about millions of driver miles & decisions every day.

The local car nuts tearing up the urban street at high speed with their pop pop exhausts ignore current limits. Then there's those drunk, drugged up, confused motorists doing daft things on badly signed and poorly maintained roads or the dozens of other random events that lead to road casualties. Without enforcement the change sought by politicians won't arise simply by further lowering limits
 
Wicker said:
The news briefing announcing this consultation talks of reducing deaths circa 200 over 60 years i.e. 3/4 per year. That's a small number over a long period when you are talking about millions of driver miles & decisions every day.
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Was there mention made of the number of vehicles using the roads in 1964 compared to now ?
(In the UK it has gone from c 11 million to c 34 million.....a 3 fold increase) In 1966, there were 7985 road deaths in the UK...so we've tripled vehicle nuimbers and reduced by a factor or nearly 5, the number of deaths....that's pretty good going really.
 
I see it states that around 20% of accidents have a speed related component

How about addressing the factors in the other 80%

It states that even one death is a death too many

Fine but does that mean all people over x years should be banned because one old duffer aged x allowed his mind to wander and ploughed into another vehicle/bus stop/shopping centre/departure lounge?

Life has risks, accept it target the weaknesses not the entire population

PS glad I don't now regularly have to go to Scotland
 
Wicker said:
I've worked with enough people in Scottish Government to know that they often have a firm view of the line they want to take albeit for political reasons and being seen to be different to England.
However it always surprises me how few people actually bother formally responding to Scottish Government consultations.
- Bitching about things being a foregone conclusion on an internet forum will not reach those who make these decisions.
- If we don't reply and get our voices heard then, like Wales, these Scotland wide speed limit changes may be pushed through.

It also strikes me that politicians have an unrealistic expectation of how a simple change might reduce and influence the numbers of road casualties; people were injured and died on the roads in the days of horse and cart The news briefing announcing this consultation talks of reducing deaths circa 200 over 60 years i.e. 3/4 per year. That's a small number over a long period when you are talking about millions of driver miles & decisions every day.

The local car nuts tearing up the urban street at high speed with their pop pop exhausts ignore current limits. Then there's those drunk, drugged up, confused motorists doing daft things on badly signed and poorly maintained roads or the dozens of other random events that lead to road casualties. Without enforcement the change sought by politicians won't arise simply by further lowering limits
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I've responded, and posted the link in the hope that others finding where to do so easily, might also do it.

And one good method of reducing congestion / pollution / deaths / frustration seems to be in danger of being "postponed": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgdvx3440lo
 
Also replied to consultation. It does seem to be weighted one way already, but still gives the opportunity to have your say. I suggested that a more visible traffic car presence would help, but I guess we don’t have the available cars/manpower for that.
 
Apparently the new speed camera vans are all electric and have a maximum range of 70 miles. On top of that, Polis Scotland road traffic cops have been cut by over 30% in the last decade.

I think folk are fairly safe.

The consultation itself is the usual exercise in asking the questions to get the answers the politicians want.
 
"Road safety in Scotland is at a critical time. National statistics indicate that collision on non-built-up roads (roads with a speed limit of 40mph or higher), account for over 40% of the total number of reported casualties. They also account for 66% of those killed and over 40% of the total number of seriously injured.”

As usual, a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Nothing in that statement says that excessive speed is the cause of these fatalities. For all we know, it could be collisions with deer wiping out the locals.

If speed is a factor, is it speed over the posted limit? If so, then the requirement is for effective enforcement, not lower limits. If drivers/riders are prepared to travel at 80mph in a 60 limit, they'll still do it if limits are reduced to 50mph. It's just the statistics will alter to show the errant road user is now 60% over the speed limit instead of 33%.

However if folk are crashing below the posted limit, then its time to review those limits. But that takes time, effort and brains to work out, not something politicians have much of, it seems.

Just take a ride around Wales, you can tell the local drivers quite easily as they are the ones ignoring the 20mph limits knowing there's no-one around to enforce them.
 
It’s irrelevant anyway. Everyone crawls along behind badly driven, hired motorhomes.
 
Threw in my tuppence worth, with a suggestion that more traffic policing would seriously help road safety . . . and a suggestion that they publish verifiable data and not just percentages round in the direction of their choice!
 
It’s happening everywhere, even though the usual condescending naysayers told us this wouldn’t happen. The A352 at Sherborne got changed from 40 to 30 (a reasonably good reason) and the A30 dual carriageway between Sherborne and Yeovil has gone from 70 to 60 (don’t see any reason for it). Slowly but surely they will lower all the speed limits.
 
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