Route suggestion sought - Hook of Holland to Peenemunde

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I’m thinking about planning a ride from Hoek Van Holland to Peenemünde in the summer. Is a return journey of 7 days practical without a huge proportion of it being on motorways/autobahns ?

What other sites might we realistically include in a loop that the furthest point is Peenemünde ?

None of us would win an Iron Butt award, but some of us rode an indirect route 2500 miles mainly through Norway from Copenhagen to Nordkapp in 8 days, so 300 + miles a day is possible, but not every day.

To give you an idea of Previous our interests, POIs have included

Race circuits Nurburgring/Le Mans
Colditz
Motorcycle & transport museums, Ducati, Bultaco, Technik
WW1 & 2 sites
Architectural sites of interest
Nordkapp

Thank you for any useful suggestions.

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I have edited the title very slightly.

Richard
 
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ymfb said:
Hoek Van Holland to Peenemünde in the summer. Is a return journey of 7 days practical without a huge proportion of it being on motorways/autobahns ?

What other sites might we realistically include in a loop that the furthest point is Peenemünde ?
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This is Hook of Holland to Peenemude, reasonably direct but avoiding motorways.

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It is 630 miles, door to door.

Now the next bit:

1. Presumably your seven days start when you roll off the ferry at the Hook and end as you roll back into the Hook again? Yes or no?

2. If so, and assuming you want one full day at Peenemunde itself, that is six days to travel there and back.

3. If we divide the six days equally between the outward and return journeys, that is three days each.

4. 630 divided by three, is 210 miles each day. This is well within your 300 miles a day maximum.

5. If you want to see things along the way, let’s include the tank museum in Munster:

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This adds a very modest 20 miles to the journey’s length, so that’s alright. But, as with any other things to see and do, it will take time to see it. Let’s say half a day. The maths now goes 650 miles in two and a half days (not the three days of before). This gives an average daily mileage of 260 miles. This is still within your 300 miles a day maximum number. But, for each ‘must do’ thing along the way, the maths will probably slide towards your detriment.

Your turn now, Steven.

:beerjug:
 
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Richard,

Thanks for your suggestion and information.

The whole trip plan depends on what the others can do, but 7 days on the continent is probably the bare minimum.

Would it be too much to ask for a .gpx or link ?

Thanks
Steven
 
Question.

Why do bods avoid motorways, as if it were a religion?

Me, I’d probably motorway from the Hook to say, Arnhem:

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Things to see and do along the way? Well there’s the whole Arnhem thing. But lose another half day.

Let’s change the route to still avoiding motorways but to go: Hook > Arnhem > Munster > Peenemunde:

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The distance is about the same at 650 miles but you’ve lost an extra half day, on top of the half day you lost visiting the tank museum at Munster. You now have not three days but two days to go 650 miles ie. 325 miles a day. You have exceeded your maximum daily mileage and only done two ‘must do’ places.
 
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The National Military Museum in Soest, Netherlands is kind of on yourmroute there or when returning.
Its a huge place on an old Dutch military airfield. Allow at least a 1/2 day to visit.
www.nmm.nl

National Military Museum | Discover our military history

Come by and visit the Dutch National Military Museum. Discover our military history. Open: Tuesday to Sunday from 10 AM - 17 PM.
www.nmm.nl www.nmm.nl
Address: Verlengde Paltzerweg 1,
3768 MX Soest
 
Wapping said:
One good turn deserves another.

:beerjug:

Leave it with me.
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Here is a possible route, that goes:

Direct (motorway) from the Hook to Arnhem, a ‘must do’ stop. Then it goes non-motorway from Arnhem to Munster (to see the ‘must do’ tank museum). It then goes Munster, non-motorway to Peenemunde:

 
Wapping said:
Here is a possible route, that goes:

Direct (motorway) from the Hook to Arnhem, a ‘must do’ stop. Then it goes non-motorway from Arnhem to Munster (to see the ‘must do’ tank museum). It then goes Munster, non-motorway to Peenemunde:

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Brilliant, thanks very much. It’s now on my MRA
 
Steven, you can see from all the well intentioned posts so far, the list of ‘Must do’ places will grow. This is not surprising, as the basic A to B distance between the Hook and Peenemunde is about 600 miles. In short, there is probably a lot.

I / we can easily keep making GPX routes including or excluding (or only part) motorways to take in none, some or all of the ‘Must do’ places. That is not the problem. It’s actually the easy bit. The problem is, you need to decide:

A. How many days A to B and back to A again you have available. If it’s more than seven, great.

B. How much motorway you really want to avoid.

C. Which, if any of the ‘Must do’ sites you want to take in.
 
John Armstrong said:
Went here this year, VC recipients and Dambusters raid graves are some of the almost 8000 graves from those who fought over and in Germany in WW2. The sadest ones for me were those who were "unidentified":

Reichswald Forest War Cemetery | Cemetery Details | CWGC

Reichswald Forest War Cemetery | Cemetery Details | CWGC
www.cwgc.org www.cwgc.org
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Annoyingly I was not that far from this site a few months ago and could have included it during that visit. It’s probably to far south for the 2026 expedition, but definitely on the cards when I next go for work. Thanks.
 
Wapping said:
Steven, you can see from all the well intentioned posts so far, the list of ‘Must do’ places will grow. This is not surprising, as the basic A to B distance between the Hook and Peenemunde is about 600 miles. In short, there is probably a lot.

I / we can easily keep making GPX routes including or excluding (or only part) motorways to take in none, some or all of the ‘Must do’ places. That is not the problem. It’s actually the easy bit. The problem is, you need to decide:

A. How many days A to B and back to A again you have available. If it’s more than seven, great.

B. How much motorway you really want to avoid.

C. Which, if any of the ‘Must do’ sites you want to take in.
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Richard,

Point C is probably the most important and only something I can sort once I get the others involved.

Thanks for your kind assistance
 
ymfb said:
Brilliant, thanks very much. It’s now on my MRA
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No problem at all.

It’s pretty rough and ready. I / we can play around with it for you.

As an example, here is an alternative. It misses the ‘Must do’ Arnhem and Munster, but now takes in (near enough) the cut in half bunker and the suggestion of Soest. Remembering that the intention is to:

1. Get to Peenemunde.

2. Avoid too much motorway, I limited the motorway to Hook > bunker > Soeste


I / we can fine tune any GPX route up to and including the front door of all and any ‘Must do’ sites and sights and / or hotels along the way. If you are lucky, we can bring you back, too.

:beerjug:
 
ymfb said:
Richard,

Point C is probably the most important and only something I can sort once I get the others involved.

Thanks for your kind assistance
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Super.

I love threads that are “Me and my mates, we….” :D

Come back to us when you’ve knocked their heads together. We can definitely help some more and, between us all, create a good holiday. It’s one of the things the forum is pretty good at. The real key is always: How many days away does someone have and how many ‘must do’ does someone really want or even need? Not least, do they really not want to touch a motorway at all?

:beerjug:

PS I am am creating the ‘routes’ as tracks, simply as it’s easier to bash them out that way. We can convert the final fine tuned version(s) to navigable routes as and when.
 
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We did this route about three years ago as part of a circular route Calais-Waterloo-Ardennes -Ruhr-colditz-Berlin-Peenemunde.

We then had two nights in Copenhagen, via the Rostock ferry. We had a day trip over the Oresundbron bridge into Sweden and back via the Helsingborg ferry. From there we made our way back via Lubeck and Arnhem, stopping at Steenbergen to pay our respects at Guy Gibson’s grave. Even without a long daily ride, seven days, as shown by Wapping’s routes there are some great possibilities.
 
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BillWright said:
We did this route about three years ago as part of a circular route Calais-Waterloo-Ardennes -Ruhr-colditz-Berlin-Peenemunde.

We then had two nights in Copenhagen, via the Rostock ferry. We had a day trip over the Oresundbron bridge into Sweden and back via the Helsingborg ferry. From there we made our way back via Lubeck and Arnhem, stopping at Steenbergen to pay our respects at Guy Gibson’s grave. Even without a long daily ride, seven days, as shown by Wapping’s routes there are some great possibilities.
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We rode over the Oresund in August at the start of the Arctic Malle rally, having been over it on the train the day before and the Helsingborg/Elsinore ferry. We have friends who live in S. Sweden so have been several times.

Did you try the liquorice ice cream, mmmm
 
What to see - well plenty up this way..... maybe a little different.....
Navy Museum in Wilhelmshaven.
U-Boat Wilhelm Bauer in Bremerhaven.
North of Kiel at Laboe there is U995.

Maybe a little off your route though.......
 
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