RTE report last night...

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So a young couple with three kids both at work would be 5k better off if she stayed at home and looked after the kids.

It ain't right.

Plus another one anybody self employed and paying taxes is not entitled to a proper state pension, anybody unemployed is.

I found that one out myself.

FFS
 
well we worked it out few weeks ago. with my salary (engineer) i woud still be better off flogging car, going on the scratcher and using bike as my transport.

either means dole too much or salary versus cost living is not right. i go for latter
 
well we worked it out few weeks ago. with my salary (engineer) i woud still be better off flogging car, going on the scratcher and using bike as my transport.

either means dole too much or salary versus cost living is not right. i go for latter

Why do you go for the latter:confused:
 
Why do you go for the latter:confused:

although dole maybe high wages these days for lot people i know around my age are shocking. cost living gone up and wages going down.

everyone has felt it but for lot who graduated in recent years wages dropping from low start point to even lower means dole gets very tempting.

i know most who graduated year or two before em are on near double my current salary

times are hard and i am lucky have job but timing wasnt best and no one can control that
 
although dole maybe high wages these days for lot people i know around my age are shocking. cost living gone up and wages going down.

everyone has felt it but for lot who graduated in recent years wages dropping from low start point to even lower means dole gets very tempting.

i know most who graduated year or two before em are on near double my current salary

times are hard and i am lucky have job but timing wasnt best and no one can control that

Would you believe that the people graduating from university now are actually helping to cause there own poverty- there are too many graduates.
Its not the fault of the general population, but they did tend to buy into the last governments mantra that every body should go on to university/college.
Now the ex-students are leaving the education system with degrees and finding no one wants them. Thank your labour government.

I also like the way graduates are coming out with worthless degrees such as media studies, sports psychology etc and are now surprised that they cant get ANY job never mind one in the very small field in which they have studied. I had an interview recently for a job selling commercial vehicles, and during the interview one of the interviewers was telling me how they get a lot of those people. "Well educated and no bloody idea about the real world". Whilst i see his point of view, it doesnt actually help to be that way inclined.
 
Tradesmen

We have the opposite problem where i work. We cannot find industrial electricians or Fitters. Injection moulding industries are crying out for polymer engineers, mould setters etc too. Too many lads got caught in the building boom and were blinkered. I remember interviewing for apprentices a few years ago and out of 16 guys we had shortlisted only 6 turned up. All 6 had been involved in the building to some degree or other. Theres work out there if you are lucky to be in the correct field.
In relation to Graduates I can relate to the comments echoed above. They generally have no idea how the real world works. Theory is fine and dandy but common sense goes out the window with some of them.
Tom
 
I made the following proposal at a Jobs Forum event in Cork earlier in the year specifically relating to this issue.
On the way in I spoke to an accountant who had recently been asked by a guy to calculate what income he would need if he were to go back to work in order to replace all his benefits. The figure was €55,000. Madness. :blast

Anyway, I subsequently forwarded it to the 3 ministers there on the day.
It's a bit long-winded :blast but I cut it as short as I could. :nenau

Dear Minister,
You may remember I made a proposal from the floor regarding the separation of unemployment benefit from all other social welfare benefits at the recent event in The Silver Springs Hotel in Cork.

You may also recall I had spoken to an accountant who had calculated that a client of his would need to earn a gross income of €55000 to replace all his social welfare entitlements.

This is a barrier to employment for both employers and those who would wish to work.

Proposal;
Those who are unemployed receive unemployment benefit as currently.
All other benefits to be means tested but available to every eligible citizen, whether working or unemployed.


The Benefits;
Does not need to cost the state anything.
If there is a benefit that costs the state €100m e.g. 100,000 claimants at €1000 each currently, cap that benefit at €100m but distribute it equitably.

If the beneficiary numbers double, either halve the benefit or raise the earnings threshold to bring the number entitled to 100,000 or a balance of the two.


Income generating.
Reduces the appeal of the black economy.

More tax compliance.

More tax income.

If an income tax hike becomes inevitable, it would buffer the effect on the lowest paid, therefore making the additional tax more equitable, more acceptable.


Easy to administer.
Clear and simple.


Removes a barrier to employment.
The guy in the example above will probably never work again because;

He can’t afford to.

A potential employer can’t afford him.

If he isn’t a sit at home type and has ability and ambition, he will be tempted into the black economy.



Improves Ireland’s competitiveness;
Reasons as above.

You will be helping employers to employ.



Other benefits;
Equitable.

The numbers gaining will outnumber those losing.

Those losing should not be forced into poverty. It will only hit houses with significant income from social welfare.

The impact on those who will gain may be enormous. It’s likely to be the difference between balancing the weekly budget and not. They will remember.


The challenges;


Increased number of claimants.
As above. Cap the total cost of each benefit but distribute more equitably.



Administration in setting up.
What the Croke Park Agreement is meant to deliver.



Lack of compatibility between the systems of the Revenue and the Dept. of Social Protection.
Should be addressed anyway!

In the meantime, make the applications self-assessment based, on-line with significant penalties for misrepresentation.

This information can be randomly checked by the Revenue and the Dept. of Social Protection.



Announce in Budget 2012. Applications by end June 2013. Actuarial calculations June to Nov 2013. Details in Budget 2013. Changeover Jan 2014.


I’m sure there are more challenges that I am oblivious to. I do, however, think the benefits warrant the proposal receiving some consideration.
 
I made the following proposal at a Jobs Forum event in Cork earlier in the year specifically relating to this issue.
On the way in I spoke to an accountant who had recently been asked by a guy to calculate what income he would need if he were to go back to work in order to replace all his benefits. The figure was €55,000. Madness. :blast

Anyway, I subsequently forwarded it to the 3 ministers there on the day.
It's a bit long-winded :blast but I cut it as short as I could. :nenau


:thumb2 you nailed it
 
The problem is exacerbated even more if the person on social welfare has a large number of children.
There was a guy interviewed a few years ago on the news, who hadn't worked in 15 years. He had 11 children, and needed €85,000 from a job, to equal what he had on benefits. That was before he had to pay for transport to work and lunches.
The system is no longer fit for purpose.
 
there lies problem lot are not arsed lookign for work. i find it hard see lads swan around doing feck all yet other lads who lost jobs are getting pressured by dole office to find jobs.

so lazy fecker get money while thoes who are unlucky to loose a job get grief for not working

i do agree tomany were going college getting stupid degrees just to say have title.

i have 8 years engineering experience and bring in less than guy who mops floors in work (not been degrading to him just using it as example of wage differences). i put my name every day to parts that fly int he sky and certify these item and like 50% people have nothing show after bills paid. but after paying mortgage (less that 200k housebefore anyone asks) i am left with 53e to myself a week for lunch

there is too much of divide, people are over paid or under paid. bit liek civil service,my wife is in it over 10 years and her salary is still under 30k. yet the management earn weelover 2-3 time this
 
Plus another one anybody self employed and paying taxes is not entitled to a proper state pension.....

Not the case Richie. I asked my accountant about this when he was making my tax return in October and he said that I would be entitled to contributary old age pension.

Not entitled to anything else as I'm not paying a 'full stamp' and I can't choose to pay a 'full stamp', but I will get a pension:thumb2
 
Not the case Richie. I asked my accountant about this when he was making my tax return in October and he said that I would be entitled to contributary old age pension.

Not entitled to anything else as I'm not paying a 'full stamp' and I can't choose to pay a 'full stamp', but I will get a pension:thumb2

That is what I mean by "proper state pension" your equal friend who has never done anything will get more than you, I believe
 
That is what I mean by "proper state pension" your equal friend who has never done anything will get more than you, I believe

My understanding of pension is what I'll receive at 65/66. Old age pension.
I will receive a contributory pension the same as someone who has worked as an employee for the same length of time as I have. People who have not paid in will receive non contributory pension, which is means tested.

So say for instance I inherit €20,000, I'll still get my pension because I've paid into it, I'm entitled to it.

Someone who's getting non contributory pension won't get it because they have means as they've inherited.

:thumb
 
My understanding of pension is what I'll receive at 65/66. Old age pension.
I will receive a contributory pension the same as someone who has worked as an employee for the same length of time as I have. People who have not paid in will receive non contributory pension, which is means tested.

So say for instance I inherit €20,000, I'll still get my pension because I've paid into it, I'm entitled to it.

Someone who's getting non contributory pension won't get it because they have means as they've inherited.

:thumb
I will look into it again.
 


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