SAE to male USB connector or cable

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I bought a 2019 RT 1250 LE today - exchanged my 2018 GS TE for it, with a slight cash adjustment. Rode it home for 90 minutes in pouring rain, and I loved it. Only one thing - it has USB sockets next to the dash, but my Optimate only has SAE sockets. I've been searching the internet for the last hour trying to find something that would fit between them, with no success.
What are you guys using to overcome this?
 
You cannot use a USB socket to charge the bike. They operate at 5V so no direct connection to the 12V battery.

Get an Optimate lead that connects directly to the battery https://www.optimate.co.uk/sae-accessory-leads/

You will then be able to use this with a tyre pump or jump start pack as well as the Optimate
 
There’s a cig lighter style socket on the near side near the rear of the pillion seat. Perhaps you could charge via that.
 
There is a SAE to male Hella (small cig plug) adapter.
Just make sure the Optimate negotiates with can-bus to keep charging. There will be a simple procedure to follow.

Otherwise as Wessie suggested.
On my GS I installed a second hella socket on the right side of the bike. It is wired (fused) directly to the battery so I can quickly connect the bike to my Optimate solar charger when back in the garage. Did that 'cause the solar ones won't work with can-bus and the socket was faster than using the SAE loom. But shouldn't be your case with a "standard" optimate.
 
There is a SAE to male Hella (small cig plug) adapter.
Just make sure the Optimate negotiates with can-bus to keep charging. There will be a simple procedure to follow.

Otherwise as Wessie suggested.
On my GS I installed a second hella socket on the right side of the bike. It is wired (fused) directly to the battery so I can quickly connect the bike to my Optimate solar charger when back in the garage. Did that 'cause the solar ones won't work with can-bus and the socket was faster than using the SAE loom. But shouldn't be your case with a "standard" optimate.
I have a canbus compliant Optimate - used it on my GS.
 
Is there? Good grief, I missed that. Will have a look tomorrow - thanks.
There is a din socket at the rear and on the panel at the front right. You can use these with a BMW or optimate charger that can use canbus mode. But by far the easiest is to attach an optimate lead direct to the battery. This cam then be used for other accessories.
 
There’s a cig lighter style socket on the near side near the rear of the pillion seat. Perhaps you could charge via that.

same on the R1200RS, very handy for my Keis heated jacket
 
All these reports f extra sockets is making my head spin. I will obviously have to have a very close look tomorrow.
 
All these reports f extra sockets is making my head spin. I will obviously have to have a very close look tomorrow.

you could always look at the manual, PDF online on the BMW website if you don't have the paper version
 
You cannot use a USB socket to charge the bike. They operate at 5V so no direct connection to the 12V battery.

Get an Optimate lead that connects directly to the battery https://www.optimate.co.uk/sae-accessory-leads/

You will then be able to use this with a tyre pump or jump start pack as well as the Optimate
you will also be able to plug in Keis heated jacket and gloves etc
 
I found the cigarette type socket - well hidden when the pannier & top box were on. Thanks for the info, the Optimate plugs straight into it. The only thing is that when plugged in, the light that is round the BMW rondel on the offside side panel comes on. I'm guessing that this will be able to be sorted with the Denali Hexcam device. Another new skill to learn.
 
I found the cigarette type socket - well hidden when the pannier & top box were on. Thanks for the info, the Optimate plugs straight into it. The only thing is that when plugged in, the light that is round the BMW rondel on the offside side panel comes on. I'm guessing that this will be able to be sorted with the Denali Hexcam device. Another new skill to learn.
Have you tried plugging into the socket on the right hand top panel to see if it does the same. I assume your charger is in canbus mode and you are using the right plug, it is not a standard cig lighter (not trying to teach you to suck eggs) Another thought, have they taken the power for the lighted roundels from the aux socket where you are plugging the optimiser into?
 
I'm using the correct plug for the socket, and Optimate is in can bus mode.
The only sockets I have on the right hand top panel is a double USB.
There is only one cigarette type socket on the bike (I've now looked very carefully, and have read the manual) which is above the nearside pannier and just below the bottom of the top box.
 
I'm using the correct plug for the socket, and Optimate is in can bus mode.
The only sockets I have on the right hand top panel is a double USB.
There is only one cigarette type socket on the bike (I've now looked very carefully, and have read the manual) which is above the nearside pannier and just below the bottom of the top box.
I understand what has happened. Someone has replaced the cigarette type socket on your bike with the double USB. Think you can buy them from Nippy Normans, that is not standard, where the double usb sockets are, should be another cigarette type socket. The front and rear socket should work fine with the canbus charger in canbus mode. As others have said, the best option is to fit a fly lead to the battery and use the charger in direct mode. The lead can then be used for other accessories. The charging by the socket should work fine, I used that method for years with no impacts. I now use a direct lead.
 
BTW tbe CAN-bus has nothing to do with any of this. That's a popular misconception.
The canbus has everything to do with it. If the charger isn’t in the correct programme it won’t ’open ‘ the system for charging
 
The canbus has everything to do with it. If the charger isn’t in the correct programme it won’t ’open ‘ the system for charging
Sorry but you are a victim of the popular misconception largely propagated by lazy aftermarket accessory vendors.

The CAN-bus does data communications amongst the various controllers on the motorcycle.

How often have you seen or heard the term “CAN-bus” in the context of a compatible charger for the accessory socket? Way too often and almost always dead wrong.

“CAN-bus” is probably the most misused term in all of BMW-related forum electrical discussions. For an understanding of what the CAN-bus actually is and does I suggest reading the article on Wikipedia.

The ZFE (Zentrale Fahrzeugelektronik or Central Chassis Electrics) is one of several controllers on modern BMW motorcycles. Its job is to manage chassis electrics. It senses logical inputs from switches and responds by turning things (lights, horns, grip heaters…) on and off. It also monitors current draw. If the current draw exceeds a threshold then the circuit is shut down so the ZFE replaces fuses. If the current draw is below a threshold on a light circuit the ZFE assumes that there is a burned out bulb or a wiring fault and tells the Kombi (the instrument cluster) to display a warning. The ZFE manages the accessory port and shuts it down if too much current is drawn (> 5A or >10A depending on the model and year). The ZFE also monitors the accessory port for the presence of a compatible charger and connects it to the battery for charging.

Compatible chargers are often referred to as “CAN-bus” chargers or some other term using “CAN-bus”. This is nonsense and has led to a great deal of confusion. This misuse of the term “CAN-bus” probably originates with charger vendors. Early on the vendors would characterize chargers as being suitable for “CAN-bus equipped” motorcycles as a way of saying that the motorcycle had a ZFE. Later the terminology morphed into terms like “CAN-bus compatible”, “CAN-bus charger” and “CAN-bus mode”.

The CAN-bus itself does not play a role in charging via the accessory port. That many say it does is part of the mythology.

The ZFE “listens” for a specific electrical handshake from a charger and if the handshake is present the ZFE connects the charger through to the battery. No CAN-bus messaging is required to accomplish this.

A ZFE compatible charger sends and repeats a pulse train to the accessory port. The pulse train starts with the charger presenting 12V to the port for 1 second. Then it waits for 150 milliseconds. Next it sends a series of ten 12V pulses each having a duration of 10 microseconds and spaced 100 milliseconds apart. It repeats this pulse train until it senses that the ZFE has connected it to the battery and then it starts its charging procedure.

Of course you can always attach a charger directly to the battery but BMW instructs you to not do so while the battery is installed in the bike. Why? The reason is that many modern chargers are “smart” and will try to recondition (desulphate) a battery if it decides that the battery needs reconditioning. The desulphation process involves the application of high voltage pulses to the battery and if the battery is connected in the bike then all the bike’s expensive electronics also get exposed to the high voltage pulses as well. So there is some risk of damage involved. BMW isn’t going to try to explain how to determine whether your particular charger has a desulphation capability or not so it just tells you not to charge the battery directly in the bike to mitigate the risk.

If you have a smart charger and intend to connect direct to the battery while the battery is in the bike you should read the charger’s manual to see if the desulphation mode can be disabled. I use the Optimate 4 charger in its “CAN-bus mode” (sic) direct to the battery because in that mode high voltage desulphation is deactivated. I can’t be bothered with charging via the accessory port.
 
So if the ZFE ‘listens’ for the correct signal, and only ‘opens’ when it hears it . Then the system is involved in the charging. There may be no signalling from the system, but it’s still involved.
 


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