Schuberth S2 & Autocom Wire3 Bluetooth

[bogey]

Hi,
I have an 08 Autocom System fitter to my 2010 Adventure which I had moved from my previous GSA when I traded in. I have been looking at a new lid And have tried on the Schuberth S2 and it feels good and ticks a lot of the boxes for me. I was also considering the integrated Schuberth bluetoothu it. My question is has anyone tried using the S2 c/w BT in conjunction with the Autocom Wire3 BT module eliminating the headset and cable and if so how did it work?
Any comments or advice would be appreciated.
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[bogey]

Anybody tried this set up yet?

 

[Ravenbyrne]

Not sure if this will answer your question but, if your thinking of using the Schuberth integrated bluetooth head-set why would you need the Autocom unit.

The Scala rider intercom unit will connect with you phone, GPS as long as their are Bluetooth and other Scala rider units.

 

[bogey]

Not sure if I can do everything I want to without the Autocom
B

 

[bogey]

Well I have had the autcom set up for done time. I use it for Rider To Passenger, Bike to Bike and wired GPS and it works pretty good. My helmet was getting on a bit and I wanted a new one and liked the S2. The idea of wireless to eliminate the cable from the bike to the helmet appealed to me and I also thought it might be better for connecting phone wise.
B

 

[Ravenbyrne]

Ok cool.....


I used to use an Autocom system for rider to pillion, bike to bike, GPS, MP3 music and phone, it's a great system and you never have to worry about charging the system so long as it's powered from the bike's electrical system.

We now use the Scala rider G4 system, it does everything above and a charge last about 3 to 4 days. The bike to bike range is better than the radio's I used to use and the conversation is multiplexed (you don't have to wait for the channel to open before you can transmit)

Also the MP3 music play-back is in stereo.

Both systems are excellent but the Scala is a lot less hassle and you don't have to plug in plug out everytime you get on and off the bike.

 

[Andy B]

It seems to me that we are on the verge of a breakthrough with Bluetooth. Scarla and Interphone have both launched their new headsets with the longer battery life, but especially the increased range.

I'm guessing we will see many more upgrading to this standard - whether it is Schuberth's own system or any of the other aftermarket options.

I'm keen to go down this route but I think I'm going to just hold tight for a bit longer - and see what comes along....

 

[sullivt]

Just aquired a Sena SR10 which can bluetooth headset, phone and has cable for bike to bike radio. It works a treat on an old scala rider solo headset that I have had for a few years but not used.

Was going to invest in an autocomm but sod that going no wires bluetooth.

PS i have been using the autocomm bike to bike kit which is showing its age now.

 

[Andy B]

The Sena looks to have similar functionality to the Interphone Tribe except the latter doesn't need the separate PMR - its all built in and cheaper than the Sena.

However, the Tribe doesn't offer the cable connectivity that the Sena does, if that's important to you - but is does defeat the object of going wireless I guess

 

[Rasher]

My last upgrade about 18 months ago was Autocom, but I think wireless stuff is now catching up.

I want to be able to ride for 10 hours a day whilst listening to music, and do it the next day - without having to remember to re-charge anything every night.

I also want to quickly connect my Sat-Nav, or a cheapo MP3 player, maybe my scamera detector, and even a phone - possibly all at the same time.

Wires "always" work (or at least are a lot more reliable than BT pairing) the Autocom never goes flat. I have places to attach my MP3 Player (velcro in cockpit) and a the Sat-Nav (bracket) with the wires right there waiting to be plugged in.

For now I will stick with it, but with the battery life of BT units extending all the time I may be tempted to swap at some point, especially if the prices fall a little bit more.

I think an Autocom unit to BT headset would also work for me as it allows all the inputs I need, and I would only have to pair the headset to the Autocom, just could not see it catching on as a commercial proposition as most people would say why bother with the Autocom bit - especially if all they want is rider - passenger / buddy.

The main problem for me is not being able to easily handle lots of devices without re-pairing all the time and not being able to have multiple inputs to the headset (music or sat-nav or phone - I may want to listen to music, get directions from sat-nav and be able to use the phone.

Plus neither my sat-nav or MP3 player have BT outputs, and if I buy a new Sat-Nav, new MP3 player and a BT headset it starts to get expensive - the modular nature and "any" device connectivity of the Autocom keeps it attractive IMO

 

[EURTRAF]

Autocom will apparently launch a full bluetooth system at the London bike show next year
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[bogey]

My last upgrade about 18 months ago was Autocom, but I think wireless stuff is now catching up.

I want to be able to ride for 10 hours a day whilst listening to music, and do it the next day - without having to remember to re-charge anything every night.

I also want to quickly connect my Sat-Nav, or a cheapo MP3 player, maybe my scamera detector, and even a phone - possibly all at the same time.

Wires "always" work (or at least are a lot more reliable than BT pairing) the Autocom never goes flat. I have places to attach my MP3 Player (velcro in cockpit) and a the Sat-Nav (bracket) with the wires right there waiting to be plugged in.

For now I will stick with it, but with the battery life of BT units extending all the time I may be tempted to swap at some point, especially if the prices fall a little bit more.

I think an Autocom unit to BT headset would also work for me as it allows all the inputs I need, and I would only have to pair the headset to the Autocom, just could not see it catching on as a commercial proposition as most people would say why bother with the Autocom bit - especially if all they want is rider - passenger / buddy.

The main problem for me is not being able to easily handle lots of devices without re-pairing all the time and not being able to have multiple inputs to the headset (music or sat-nav or phone - I may want to listen to music, get directions from sat-nav and be able to use the phone.

Plus neither my sat-nav or MP3 player have BT outputs, and if I buy a new Sat-Nav, new MP3 player and a BT headset it starts to get expensive - the modular nature and "any" device connectivity of the Autocom keeps it attractive IMO

This is pretty much the same for me. I went ahead and got the S2 and the SRC 2 comms collar to match.

Pretty happy with the helmet as it fitts really well, is very comfortable and is light and quite.

I have tried connecting it to the autocom with their bluetooth Wire3A module connected to the hub unit. It connects straight away using the GPS mode on the SRC. Only problem is two way radio does not seem to wotk. I have this set up with PTT cable etc and its transmitting and all as normal but it seems mic on SRC aint connected or working.

I thought the mic should work as Schurberth instructions say if uising a phone and a GPS you connect the phone to the GPS and then the GPS to the SRC.

I'm thinking maybe with the phone when a call comes in or initiated it triggers the mic or something. Anyoine any ideas on this.

 

[Greenman14]

Spoke to Autocom at the NEC on Saturday and they strongly recommended using a wired system if you want to use bike-to-bike radio, sat nav, phone and MP3 player. Also, they found Garmin sat nav easier to connect than Tomtom as it has a connection for a jack plug.

The other thing I gathered from speaking to them and looking at at the Tiger on their stand is that there looks to be a lot of wires and boxes to install and connect.

 

[bess the newf]

wire3 autocom setuop

Hi,
I have an 08 Autocom System fitter to my 2010 Adventure which I had moved from my previous GSA when I traded in. I have been looking at a new lid And have tried on the Schuberth S2 and it feels good and ticks a lot of the boxes for me. I was also considering the integrated Schuberth bluetoothu it. My question is has anyone tried using the S2 c/w BT in conjunction with the Autocom Wire3 BT module eliminating the headset and cable and if so how did it work?
Any comments or advice would be appreciated.
B

Hello
I thought i'd add my halfpenny's worth. I've been a long time adherent to autocom, and have been attracted by their products' quality. I have two of their systems, and like them both. However, like other folk here, I want to go the wire free route. I got my first GS in 2010 and riding standing on the pegs for long distances, with the occasional tumble , doesn't lend itself to having the helmet wired to the autocom unit.

I bought a couple of sets of sena smh5s to stick inside helmets - nice kit - can still use my ultimate ears, can plug in my ipod directly, and can go bike to bike up to a klick with line of site.

But... I am in to the idea of having the GPS, the phone, and the PMR all syncing and talking in the right order of priorities, like it was when i had a wired setup. So as soon as i saw the wire3 from autocom i got a couple, one for each bike. For various reasons, I also set up a fairly elaborate system of powering my GSA's top box, for the autocom, with waterproof plugs for the GPS, 12v, the seven pin pillion wired autocom connector, and the PTT. All hunky dory until i plug the wire3 in. The system works fine when I use the seven pin regular wired autocom headset. When I use the Sena to the wire3 connection, it's of a dangerously low quality - dangerous because it is distracting.

I sent the two wire3s back to Cambridgeshire, and they were bench tested, supposedly, and i was told that they were working fine. It's not the fact that the alu top box blocks the BT signal - I've got the other autocom in a plastic top box on my K12RS, and that's no fecking good either.

I've yet to totally give up on the BT autocom solution, and I haven't tinkered with it for a little while, but I intend to, now it's shining over here in France again, .

So, my advice - don't go for the BT autocom solution. Either go for a Sena SM10 if you want a comprehensive set up, or wait to see if autocom produce something worthy of their once proud reputation.

 

[bogey]

Hi All,

Well I have been tinkering with my setup over the xmas and have actually got everything working. I connect the Schubert SRC 2 comms unit to the Autocom Wire 3A. The SRC recognises the wire 3 a as a GPS, the GPS works, the phone works, the bike to bike radios are working. I notice the volume from the system seems low particularly on the receiving radio. Have only checked the whole thing out in the grage as yet and have to still road test it. I am happy to have it all working and am just hoping that volume does not prove to be a big problem.

bess the newf, I note your comment

The system works fine when I use the seven pin regular wired autocom headset. When I use the Sena to the wire3 connection, it's of a dangerously low quality - dangerous because it is distracting

I also note that Autocm mentioned somewhere that a wired connection is always prefferable to a BT as the quality is better so it sounds like they already recognise there is a drop in quality once BT is incorporated. I'm just hoping it is only to a degree that I can live with.

The other thing that seems to be the case is that you can only connect a phone and GPS by first pairing the phone with the GPS then the GPS to the SRC.

I will report back how it works on the road.

Regards
B

 

[ianm00]

Ok cool.....


I used to use an Autocom system for rider to pillion, bike to bike, GPS, MP3 music and phone, it's a great system and you never have to worry about charging the system so long as it's powered from the bike's electrical system.

We now use the Scala rider G4 system, it does everything above and a charge last about 3 to 4 days. The bike to bike range is better than the radio's I used to use and the conversation is multiplexed (you don't have to wait for the channel to open before you can transmit)

Also the MP3 music play-back is in stereo.

Both systems are excellent but the Scala is a lot less hassle and you don't have to plug in plug out everytime you get on and off the bike.

I have recently changed from autocom to Scala G9 but I cannot get GPS (zumo 550) phone (Nokia E71) and G9 to work correctly. Everything pairs ok (zumo to G9 and phone to zumo). Zumo works fine but although the phone is reported as paired to zumo when I try to make a call it immediately disconnects. Scala confirmed the issue and told me the 3 devices are not compatible. I would like to know how you use your G4 setup for GPS/PHONE?MP3?

Thanks

Ian

 

[bess the newf]

Sena SM10 and SR10 and Autocom wire3a

Hi All,

Well I have been tinkering with my setup over the xmas and have actually got everything working. I connect the Schubert SRC 2 comms unit to the Autocom Wire 3A. The SRC recognises the wire 3 a as a GPS, the GPS works, the phone works, the bike to bike radios are working. I notice the volume from the system seems low particularly on the receiving radio. Have only checked the whole thing out in the grage as yet and have to still road test it. I am happy to have it all working and am just hoping that volume does not prove to be a big problem.

bess the newf, I note your comment
I also note that Autocm mentioned somewhere that a wired connection is always prefferable to a BT as the quality is better so it sounds like they already recognise there is a drop in quality once BT is incorporated. I'm just hoping it is only to a degree that I can live with.

The other thing that seems to be the case is that you can only connect a phone and GPS by first pairing the phone with the GPS then the GPS to the SRC.

I will report back how it works on the road.

Regards
B

Hi Bogey

Thanks for taking note of my comment. I am very keen to find someone who has had success with the wire3a. If it would work it would suite me perfectly.

My two wire3a s are still with autocom, coming back from a bench test which i was told gave them both an all clear. I accept the argument that wired is going to sound better than BT, all else being equal. But the wire3as just didn't work for me. I'm fairly patient, and spent a lot of time with my set up. However, I generally rate autocom's gear, and am surprised that they would supply substandard gear.

I live in very rural france and self-reliance is my watchword - but it seems that i'm going to need some serious help to get the wire3as to work.

In the meantime i gave myself a xmas presie of the new sena sm10 (i actually meant to order the sr10 but screwed up) and am going to try this out as an alternative to autocom and wire3a set ups.

Anyway, Bogey, I await your road test with interest, and if it goes well, i will ask if you can help me out with what you did that i didn't do in the set up.

cheers
bessthenewf

 

[bogey]

Hi bessthenewf,

That's no problem but it might be a week or two before I can get out on the road.

Whilst I have got everything working and talking to each other I am still doing some fettling to try and get the best set up. A few things I am going to do are as follows.

I am going to extend the Wire3A units up to the front of the bike area so there is minimum distance and interference etc between it and the helmet. It's also away from radio, Autocom electrics etc. I hope to do this by using an additional straight lead as normally used between the rider or passenger lead from the unit and the helmet. I am going to have this join in a place where I can always break the connection and use a standard wired helmet arrangement should I want or red to.

In relation to volume in the helmet I have principally use the systems for bike to bike and never had a problem with volume for this. However volume from the GPS/phone has never been great even when using the wired headset. A critical aspect for good sound for this and music is positions of the speakers in the helmet.

Another aspect I have discovered is the way the Autocom prioritises the Aux sockets. I think normally Aux 2 is used for this. Usually volume to this is reduced when there is any input to say bike to bike or rider to passenger etc. Might be wrong but VOX sensitivity might impact this a bit. From what I have read this reduction can be enabled under some settings to be always on.

I have been onto Autocom to check about using AUX 1 which has top priority and I think would eliminate any of these issues. There's a few technicalities which I need to check out and confirm in relation to this.

I will keep this post updated with how I will get on.

Regards

B

 

[beemerboy9]

Bogey,

I am assuming that your Autocom system is a Super-Pro Avi. If so the "big issue" is that AUX1 is mono only. It was designed for the era of the Garmin 2610 + 2720 rather than the stereo era of the Zumo's.

If you can live with high quality mono to both ears, then AUX1 is the input to use, preferably with a cable interface.
If you cannot, then you have to route the phone through Bluetooth and the stereo music through a cable.

Unfortunately the last remaining Autocom guy left Starcom some time ago, so your best bet for top advice is Sam at Chainspeed.

 

[bogey]

Hi beemerboy9,

You are right, I do have a Superpro AVI. I can live with mona alright. My main concern is bike to bike by radio. I also want to use Sat Nav and have the option for phone altough I usually will not use this when riding (I can hear when somebody is calling me and see who it it is on the phone screen and make a stop to call them back if they are important enough !) Mono is grand for all this as I dont really play music from the Zumo or Phone. If I want stereo music I can connect the Ipod to the Autocom with a stereo lead.

I actually also have an SPA on another bike with connection to the umo with a 4066 lead which means I have a left & right channel for what it worth. Again I can connect the Ipod sepately if I want.

Now I just need to get out on the road and see how both set ups work. I will update once I do this.

Regards

B