Scrambler Ban - Affects all bikes?????

[john_aero]

Still not up on the GoLoud player yet just so can hear what he said. Talked lad who did hear same talk and he taught same he clearly said all scramblers including those currently road legal

Hopefully it's just incompetence and actual update won't affect t is legal users with tax and insurance

 

[NeverRodeBefore]

Whilst I hope this won't be used to batter the legal and responsible owners, it could well end up that the legal and responsible ones are the main one's who get caught up in this. The powers that be will know who owns them and where they are. Meanwhile the unregistered, uninsured knobheads pulling wheelies into oncoming traffic will still behave exactly the same as they currently don't seem to be concerned with breaking the law, so adding another law they can break will hardly alter their actions.

 

[john_aero]

Not really
It will be road registered, insured and taxed plus lawfully owned
It’s seemingly the unregistered ones they are going after

I was mixing up the original topic with the ABR post above regarding enduro bikes at festival

Got message privately elsewhere from someone who was involved in the discussion a while back. They should be making allowances for those taxes and insured however all comes down to the final working and any ambiguity in the law. Garda walks up as goes "ah that's looks like an auld scrambler you can't have them on road". Put responsibility back on honest people not the low life causing the issues

 

[KTRIC]

I ride a R12 G/s in the Enduro spec, this "ban" should be fun !

 

[JJH]

Absolutely so John. Reading that, an 800GS with TKC tyres fitted could be classed as a "scrambler" by someone with limited knowledge of bikes.

And that’s the problem. Most people don’t have any knowledge of motorcycles at all. The ban should apply to any powerd two wheeler that isn’t registered properly for road use and ridden by a properly licensed and insured and helmeted rider. Anything else should be lifted. That legalisation is already in place so shouting about an outright ban doesn’t make sense. JJH

 

[john_aero]

To me they need to allow Garda chase the bike and stop them with their car just like the uk police are now allowed to do. Its these scum that are driving insurance prices up as lot are stolen bikes, not just "scramblers" plenty mopeds and proper road bikes been used illegally as they are more than likely stolen.

Looking back there was another man paralyzed in Dublin few years back after a lad on a bike in a park landed on him when he was taking a break in the park.

Similar to sulkies and scumbags they don't care about the laws so harsher enforcement of the current laws is needed. Plus take the dole off the parents too.

 

[NeverRodeBefore]

I'd like a well publicised scheme that gives the scumbag up to a minute to at least indicate they give up and start to pull over when a police car using sirens is directly behind them before the police car will make contact to knock them off, with the consequences of that only ever being blamed on the scumbag for not giving up immediately.

 

[JJH]

I'd like a well publicised scheme that gives the scumbag up to a minute to at least indicate they give up and start to pull over when a police car using sirens is directly behind them before the police car will make contact to knock them off, with the consequences of that only ever being blamed on the scumbag for not giving up immediately.

Unfortunately that’s never going to happen no matter how much we would like to see it. Look at the way cops are treated when they shoot an armed and dangerous criminal who has been ordered to drop his weapon. JJH

 

[frank1200]

if the guards suspect you are on a scrambler they can stop you now ant take if off you straight away,
the old law meant they had to check who owned it and if it was insured and taxed before they could take it
there is a huge problem in dublin and limerick city and to a lesser extent in cork of younger males with no insurance etc racing around the city and the cops could not chase or stop them before this,
scramblers have replaced horses in the inner citys and are a huge problem.
if the cops chase them and the scumbag falls of or hits someone the cop is responsible which is a major issue

 

[john_aero]

if the guards suspect you are on a scrambler they can stop you now ant take if off you straight away,
the old law meant they had to check who owned it and if it was insured and taxed before they could take it
there is a huge problem in dublin and limerick city and to a lesser extent in cork of younger males with no insurance etc racing around the city and the cops could not chase or stop them before this,
scramblers have replaced horses in the inner citys and are a huge problem.
if the cops chase them and the scumbag falls of or hits someone the cop is responsible which is a major issue

Until we see the details of it cant be sure, but from listening to interviews this will mean a road legal enduro, taxed and insured could be taken. You then have ot figt to get it back

I hope this isnt the case. Will affect thoes of us who do trail riding as enduro lads will be lumped in the same as knackers and scum in city centers.

Hopefully doesnt happen however dont see any media outlet having a both side of the story chat its all ban them now

 

[glenn2926]

Can anyone explain how it affects all bikes if it’s only a ban on scramblers? I can’t think of many scramblers so it’s not too much really.

 

[Berin]

Can anyone explain how it affects all bikes if it’s only a ban on scramblers? I can’t think of many scramblers so it’s not too much really.

Triumph scrambler 1200, 900, 400
Ducati scrambler - about 10 versions
BMW R nine T Scrambler
RE Himalayan Scram

plus, it would be very easy for Irish plod to look at anything from a Honda CRF to a KTM 690 Enduro and call it a scrambler, or even a GS with knobblies.

Seems like a nightmare in the making, like all laws named after a single person and a single event.

 

[glenn2926]

Triumph scrambler 1200, 900, 400
Ducati scrambler - about 10 versions
BMW R nine T Scrambler
RE Himalayan Scram

plus, it would be very easy for Irish plod to look at anything from a Honda CRF to a KTM 690 Enduro and call it a scrambler, or even a GS with knobblies.

Seems like a nightmare in the making, like all laws named after a single person and a single event.

So four scramblers in a few engine sizes. A decent lawyer should be able to defend a person riding a bike that is not a scrambler. If the powers that be do try this new law then they need playing at their own game. Putting knobblies on a bike doesn’t make it a scrambler.

 

[john_aero]

Crf250L
crf250 Rally
Ktm 690, husky 701 etc
Kove 450
Those of us with road legal enduros
wr250f
crf250x
ktm exc-f series
Drz400
Dr650
Yam xt600 (big bike but looks scrambler-ish to the public)

List goes on.

For lot general public anything dual sport looking to them is either a big scrambler or a small scrambler.


My issue is there is no need for any law change. These so called scramblers are already illegal on roads, been ridden by underage unlicensed and uninsured scum, probably stole them too. No different than lads riding around in scooters or a car its always been illegal. Same as driving an car underage, un insured and no tax always been illegal.

Issue is not enough enforcement and also need allow Garda do same as UK are now doing, controlled removal with their cars off the bike.

New laws with all ban means an auld buck cop will be like "that's one of those auld scramblers yokes" gets impounded off you and your left bike less.

Also means public will be reporting lot more people out trail riding because we are on those lethal murdering scramblers.

 

[glenn2926]

Crf250L
crf250 Rally
Ktm 690, husky 701 etc
Kove 450
Those of us with road legal enduros
wr250f
crf250x
ktm exc-f series
Drz400
Dr650
Yam xt600 (big bike but looks scrambler-ish to the public)

List goes on.

For lot general public anything dual sport looking to them is either a big scrambler or a small scrambler.


My issue is there is no need for any law change. These so called scramblers are already illegal on roads, been ridden by underage unlicensed and uninsured scum, probably stole them too. No different than lads riding around in scooters or a car its always been illegal. Same as driving an car underage, un insured and no tax always been illegal.

Issue is not enough enforcement and also need allow Garda do same as UK are now doing, controlled removal with their cars off the bike.

New laws with all ban means an auld buck cop will be like "that's one of those auld scramblers yokes" gets impounded off you and your left bike less.

Also means public will be reporting lot more people out trail riding because we are on those lethal murdering scramblers.

They are not scramblers. I have a DR 650 it’s a trail bike not a scrambler. In fact reading again I don’t think any of those bikes are scramblers. Mostly trail or Enduro bikes.

 

[Robbi]

They are not scramblers. I have a DR 650 it’s a trail bike not a scrambler. In fact reading again I don’t think any of those bikes are scramblers. Mostly trail or Enduro bikes.

They are in the eyes of the public and guards, it would be down to you to prove differently.

 

[glenn2926]

They are in the eyes of the public and guards, it would be down to you to prove differently.

It says scrambler on the decals of bikes that are scramblers. Mostly for those that don’t understand.

 

[john_aero]

They are not scramblers. I have a DR 650 it’s a trail bike not a scrambler. In fact reading again I don’t think any of those bikes are scramblers. Mostly trail or Enduro bikes.

Yes to you and me thats true but to joe public and the local plod they are all scramblers.

One of the ministers mention on radio the ban will include thoes that are road legal.



In reality none of the bikes that are been used by the scum are scramblers they are pit bikes and old mx bikes.

 

[john_aero]

Guarantee you public, government and coppers would class both as scramblers. Park them both up, wr will have its lights and license plate and they wouldn't have a clue of the difference. Diff to me is one is road legal and compliant other is a race mx bike. neither are scramblers however that's not that is been pushed by government and media.

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

It's a little like when they started closing down a lot of the legal ROW

Joe Public sees a stolen motocross bike being hammered along their local a Bridleway then all of a sudden it's the fault of the guy out on a Byway riding his Serow because Joe Public doesn't know the difference

Scramblers is too much of a generic term !