Scrambler Ban - Affects all bikes?????

glenn2926 said:
So four scramblers in a few engine sizes. A decent lawyer should be able to defend a person riding a bike that is not a scrambler. If the powers that be do try this new law then they need playing at their own game. Putting knobblies on a bike doesn’t make it a scrambler.
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Agreed, but it’s going to be a pain if you need to hire a lawyer to explain to a court that your bike isn’t a scrambler, especially when it says it in the name.

Plus as far as I can see they can take the bike and crush it, which could spoil your ride out.
 
It’s another nonsense law. As far as I can see, a scrote on an illegal bike killed a girl, and so the politicians think the solution is to penalise law abiding citizens riding legal bikes.

It’s already illegal to ride an illegal bike, an its already illegal to kill people, so how does the new law stop scrotes who are already breaking the law?

Answer- it doesn’t, because they’re breaking the law anyway.
 
Berin said:
Agreed, but it’s going to be a pain if you need to hire a lawyer to explain to a court that your bike isn’t a scrambler, especially when it says it in the name.

Plus as far as I can see they can take the bike and crush it, which could spoil your ride out.
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Surely if the legal profession are going to bring in a new law they will have carried out research and due diligence to determine exactly what a scrambler is? If not there will be lawyers queuing up to tear it to shreds. Hopefully this will all prove too difficult and they will instead just decide to prosecute those riding illegally. Obviously this will all need a degree of common sense which the legal profession are not known for.
 
glenn2926 said:
Surely if the legal profession are going to bring in a new law they will have carried out research and due diligence to determine exactly what a scrambler is? If not there will be lawyers queuing up to tear it to shreds. Hopefully this will all prove too difficult and they will instead just decide to prosecute those riding illegally. Obviously this will all need a degree of common sense which the legal profession are not known for.
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There is the first problem, they haven't done it its a knee jerk blanket ban as it looks good online and its simple to them. If it was horse racing they would be less likely as its a rich mans sport and plenty in Gov like the horses.

The will make the law first and then no fix it when all the issues are seen
 
glenn2926 said:
Surely if the legal profession are going to bring in a new law they will have carried out research and due diligence to determine exactly what a scrambler is? If not there will be lawyers queuing up to tear it to shreds. Hopefully this will all prove too difficult and they will instead just decide to prosecute those riding illegally. Obviously this will all need a degree of common sense which the legal profession are not known for.
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It’s not the legal profession that’s bringing out a new law. It’s the political lot. The legal profession don’t actually bring out new laws. Legislation or case law. The point is there are enough laws in our land to stop the use of unregistered uninsured powerd 2 wheelers or quads that don’t meet the nessessary qualifications to be on the road. There are many different laws that can be used to stop and confiscate these machines and prosecute the riders. Maybe hit the parents with something too. It’s an offence to allow someone to ride a bike or drive a car if insurance is not in place. The term scrambler is just confusing. Most of these machines are unregistered so there’s nothing to prevent the Garda just lifting them. Some are stolen and ridden without plates ect. Again just lift them. If you ever see a group of these machines been ridden around you can see quite a level of skill. It would take quite a determined cop to actually catch one. In the chase the riders are mounting pavements and probably don’t give a shit what damage they do. We expect our police to deal with it and the fallout. JJH
 
JJH said:
It’s not the legal profession that’s bringing out a new law. It’s the political lot. The legal profession don’t actually bring out new laws. Legislation or case law. The point is there are enough laws in our land to stop the use of unregistered uninsured powerd 2 wheelers or quads that don’t meet the nessessary qualifications to be on the road. There are many different laws that can be used to stop and confiscate these machines and prosecute the riders. Maybe hit the parents with something too. It’s an offence to allow someone to ride a bike or drive a car if insurance is not in place. The term scrambler is just confusing. Most of these machines are unregistered so there’s nothing to prevent the Garda just lifting them. Some are stolen and ridden without plates ect. Again just lift them. If you ever see a group of these machines been ridden around you can see quite a level of skill. It would take quite a determined cop to actually catch one. In the chase the riders are mounting pavements and probably don’t give a shit what damage they do. We expect our police to deal with it and the fallout. JJH
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take the dole money off them
 
glenn2926 said:
Surely if the legal profession are going to bring in a new law they will have carried out research and due diligence to determine exactly what a scrambler is? If not there will be lawyers queuing up to tear it to shreds. Hopefully this will all prove too difficult and they will instead just decide to prosecute those riding illegally. Obviously this will all need a degree of common sense which the legal profession are not known for.
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And there's the problem - it's not the legal profession that brings laws in, it's politicians. Politicians, as we know and as well as being corrupt as fuck are as stupid as a piece of cheese and a love bringing in Pheobe's (or whoever, but best if it's a girl) law as it makes them look like they are doing something - which in this case they are, and that's not solving the problem but will make life more difficult for the average mostly law abiding biker
 
www.gov.ie

Ministers to implement total ban on scrambler use in public places

www.gov.ie www.gov.ie


Such a political report, they say its already illegal, garda can sieze them. New laws will ahhhhh do the exact same soooooo????????? what waste taxpayers money creating a law thats already there just not been enforced properly.

Garda powers to chase is what needs to eb allowed same as uk

Annoys me as i had wr250 out in yard checking it over and had few people that were visitng parents say didnt know you had a scrambler you cant take that outside your gate, even though its taxed and insured.
 
I see the new law is now in. Thanks to John Aero for the link above which does nothing that I can see to clarify things, though as I read it it does suggest that if you can prove tax and insurance you might be okay:-

These regulations will further strengthen the provisions already in place to tackle dangerous scrambler use. Currently, under the Road Traffic Act 1961, mechanically propelled vehicles such as scramblers can only be legally driven on public roads if they are registered and have a registration plate. Most scramblers are designed for off-road use only and are unregistered, and are therefore already illegal for use on the road.

In the absence of registration, a vehicle cannot be taxed. The Gardaí have the power to seize vehicles being driven on public roads that have not been taxed or lack insurance, or where the driver does not hold the relevant driving licence. Once seized, An Garda Síochána has the power to dispose of a seized vehicle six weeks after the date of detention, provided two weeks' notice of the intention to dispose is given.

Others may interpret this differently which I guess is part of the problem.
 
Claude (AI tool) came up with this:-

Good news for you — your WR250R should be fine. The key distinction in the regulations is clear:
The regulations will not apply to registered, on-road motorcycles that are safe and legal for road use. (Publicnow)
The law targets off-road motorcycles — i.e. unregistered, uninsured bikes with no road-legal status. Your WR250R, being taxed, insured, and registered, falls outside the scope of Grace's Law.
That said, there is an acknowledged grey area around the definition. The Department of Transport's lawyers were specifically tasked with working on a legal definition of "scrambler" (The Irish Times) as part of drafting the regulations, which suggests the line between a road-legal dual-sport and an off-road scrambler wasn't entirely clear-cut from the outset.
In practice, the distinction comes down to registration status rather than appearance. A Yamaha WR250R or similar dual-sport that is properly registered and road-legal is a different legal category to an unplated pit bike or MX bike being ridden in a park. The regulations are clearly aimed at the latter.
One practical note: dangerous driving offences and all relevant road traffic laws continue to apply (Publicnow) regardless, so how you ride it still matters.

The 'Public now' article it references says:-

The regulations will not apply to registered, on-road motorcycles that are safe and legal for road use.

 
glenn2926 said:
Surely if the legal profession are going to bring in a new law they will have carried out research and due diligence to determine exactly what a scrambler is? If not there will be lawyers queuing up to tear it to shreds. Hopefully this will all prove too difficult and they will instead just decide to prosecute those riding illegally. Obviously this will all need a degree of common sense which the legal profession are not known for.
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This law wasn’t brought out by the legal profession. I don’t think the legal profession have a role in actually. Making law. JJH
 
JJH said:
This law wasn’t brought out by the legal profession. I don’t think the legal profession have a role in actually. Making law. JJH
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Ah, so just ill informed people who have no idea what a scrambler actually is. Sounds about right for law makers.
 
Unfortunately we have a cop in court for dangerous driving and convicted. 2 years off the road. He was trying to catch “scrambler”. JJH
 
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