Second hand prices of R1300 - Strangely low

No you don't...

I don't like VAT obviously but after purchase the VAT cost is effectively absorbed by the value of the vehicle....

If you bought a new bike today and sold it tomorrow, pre-registered but with delivery mileage on it, it would not be worth £4000 less.
I bet it would .
And what’s this VAT thingy ? 🤔
 
No you don't...

I don't like VAT obviously but after purchase the VAT cost is effectively absorbed by the value of the vehicle....

If you bought a new bike today and sold it tomorrow, pre-registered but with delivery mileage on it, it would not be worth £4000 less.
You're right probably £6000 less if its a GS :)
 
No you don't...

I don't like VAT obviously but after purchase the VAT cost is effectively absorbed by the value of the vehicle....

If you bought a new bike today and sold it tomorrow, pre-registered but with delivery mileage on it, it would not be worth £4000 less.
if you sell a bike back to a dealer the VAT isw immediately removed + a depreciation

that is how it works
 
Also - doesn't help that BMW don't have any financial incentives to encourage buyers..
 
Here it's all motorcycles. KTM, Harley, Moto Guzzi, Aprilia, and BMW probably particularly so. The hit I took trading my 2 year old Stelvio with 10,500 miles was eye watering! It's an ideal time to buy a used motorcycle though.
 
I will probably buy a 12 months old 1300 GS at some point, to me it's the most appealing GS since my 2006 Hexhead model (which I still own from new). I can't justify a new one as since retiring I don't do the mileage I once did and have other bikes to ride. A big reduction on the new price will be a nice incentive to buy, I won't be worried about subsequent depreciation as I keep my bikes for 10-20 years if I like them (which I will know within months)
 
I will probably buy a 12 months old 1300 GS at some point.....
Good plan and it'll still have plenty of warranty remaining.

It's been my observation here, particularly with European brands, that manufacturers often put sizable incentives on end of year models to move them out. These come in the form of low interest financing to the customer or cash back to the dealer which he can pass on. This is especially the case when the new model is substantially changed as on leftover 1250s when the 1300s were coming out. But it was so even in my case buying a leftover 2025 which is essentially the same bike as a 2024 and 2026. TBH I wouldn't have bought this bike were it not for that major discount.
 
BMW are currently offering 0.9% to 3.9% on 2025's here. Or instead of .9% finance for 36 months they'll give you $3,000 which is what I took. I'm not sure what rate they offer on 2026 models but I imagine market rate which is around 6% for those with good credit.
 
BMW are currently offering 0.9% to 3.9% on 2025's here. Or instead of .9% finance for 36 months they'll give you $3,000 which is what I took. I'm not sure what rate they offer on 2026 models but I imagine market rate which is around 6% for those with good credit.
US sales are struggling because tariffs have to be calculated on all the components , material used to make them, eg, aluminum, steel, electronics, and the original source of each item. All having different tariffs, which change every few weeks.
 
Got mine at 3.9 in December. Offer must have finished.
Yep 7.9% with the "free" panniers and topbox.

I should have taken the 3.9% with £1500 deposit contribution last year at £199 a month! Darnit
 
US sales are struggling because tariffs have to be calculated on all the components , material used to make them, eg, aluminum, steel, electronics, and the original source of each item. All having different tariffs, which change every few weeks.

I have to disagree. IMO US sales are not struggling because of price, it's mostly due to overall lack of interest. Hell during covid there was a big but brief bump in sales in spite of crazy high prices. The generation that started on Honda in the 60's and 70's then shifted to Harley in the 1990's through 2010, have been aging out. No generation since has had the interest of that one, this is especially so for the current digital Generation Z.

In real dollars motorcycles have seldom been as affordable here as they are now, especially considering the plethora of nice, reliable, late model used bikes. FFS youngsters can buy a nice used motorcycle for what they spend upgrading to the latest iPhone. I would never finance something like a motorcycle but back when I bought my first one in 1972, interest on a motorcycle loan was around 12%. Today it's almost half that.

Of the ones who are interested in buying a new motorcycle a high percentage are already in debt and just don't have the money or good credit. The big 4 Japanese dealer I use told me at least 1/2 of their perspective buyers are turned away after they can't qualify for a loan.

They have seen motorcycle sales drop every year over the last 17 except during covid 2020-2022. They still sell a good number of units but a good month now might be 175 - 200 whereas it would be 350 units 15 years ago. SXSs and ATVs are what they sell most. Street legal motorcycle sales have steadily declined.

Their unit sales % roughly breaks down as:
80% SXS and ATV.
20% motorcycles. Of the motorcycles sold, 80% are dirt bikes.
 
Yep 7.9% with the "free" panniers and topbox.

I should have taken the 3.9% with £1500 deposit contribution last year at £199 a month! Darnit
I thought you were emigrating …. 🫣
 


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