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Yes I agree with that. The tariff thing is mostly a struggle for the dealers. Many are having problems getting the stock in a timely manner .
North America is definitely not a huge motorcycle market like Europe.
Second hand prices of R1300 - Strangely low
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Yes I agree with that. The tariff thing is mostly a struggle for the dealers. Many are having problems getting the stock in a timely manner .
North America is definitely not a huge motorcycle market like Europe.
Yep dealers have been having to adjust in some cases. I think Japanese and Europe bike pricing has finally stabilized but most have increased since 2024.
From everything I've seen recently, stock at the dealer level is high so it shouldn't be too difficult finding what you want and likely at a discount. Of course certain new models like Kawasaki's KLE 500 will be in short supply for a while.
I think the PCP and genral insame price increase on bikes is what delivers the depreciation in the market. To me, when something is not worth 1/2 the new price 3 years later with not a lot of miles on, it actually indicates that the product was actually maybe not worth the price asked when new. IMO if PCP had not come along then prices would have gone up slowly at the rate of people earnings/how fast they could save for the item they wish to buy. That was unacceptable to the motor industry and along came PCP. Ramp up the prices, keep product flowing through the factories and with money after the 2008 crises as cheap as chips it was a perfect business model.
Now with higher costs of borrowing, consumers with greater expenses (taxation, mortages, cost of living etc), the PCP model isn not quite so pretty and the industry is left trying to sell/rent bikes at sky high prices. With plenty of 2nd hand stuff about and also stuff about that was already good enough for some (was the 1250 so bad that we needed the 1300 reincarnation), the second hand market is the place quite a lot of folk would rather be than taking a fleecing on a new bike (and its potential teething troubles).
Now with higher costs of borrowing, consumers with greater expenses (taxation, mortages, cost of living etc), the PCP model isn not quite so pretty and the industry is left trying to sell/rent bikes at sky high prices. With plenty of 2nd hand stuff about and also stuff about that was already good enough for some (was the 1250 so bad that we needed the 1300 reincarnation), the second hand market is the place quite a lot of folk would rather be than taking a fleecing on a new bike (and its potential teething troubles).
Something else that factors in to high depreciation are expensive vehicles out of warranty, or soon to be, with high cost parts, that are complicated, with a less than stellar reputation for reliability. BMW fit that description unfortunately.
I agree with your sentiments about PCP or PLP, or any other form of ballooning debt on a depreciating asset.
But I also think the “balloon” purchasing arrangements have been kicking around the motor industry for a lot longer than since 2008? ISTR hearing about them in the early/mid-90’s ?
The buyer signs-in to a deal which “protects” the value of the loan money (plus interest), but they’re also left with the depreciating asset to maintain, in every sense of the phrase. It’s a lose/lose situation every time for the punter, if you ask me.
Let's face it, bikes are for the relatively well off now.
Bikes, new or used, are for people who want one and make the sacrifices , large or small to make it make it happen. That's the way it's always been
My first bike was just over a weeks wages. I wish my 1300 had been just over a weeks income.
for most brits the thatcher blair destruction of the country (on behalf of their deep state controllers) worked very well....
and whilst they have faked on ave for last 200 years inflation at 100% every 20 years - most brits have had wage stagnation for the last 25 years
in 1990 a new decent car was 12k, now a similar vehicle is 35k (and comes with a self destructing engine to boot) - do the numbers and with highest tax burden on the low paid since ever and wages that most certainly never doubled in the same time frame we are all far poorer
compare that to Oz, where they sold their country down the pan in a fake economic explosion (gifting all their mineral wealth that could have lasted the next 1000 years to china) has seen their pay go up three fold
of course BOTH ideas were at the hands of the puppet masters - just landing different elements of the catastrophe
enjoy hearing the truth -
and whilst they have faked on ave for last 200 years inflation at 100% every 20 years - most brits have had wage stagnation for the last 25 years
in 1990 a new decent car was 12k, now a similar vehicle is 35k (and comes with a self destructing engine to boot) - do the numbers and with highest tax burden on the low paid since ever and wages that most certainly never doubled in the same time frame we are all far poorer
compare that to Oz, where they sold their country down the pan in a fake economic explosion (gifting all their mineral wealth that could have lasted the next 1000 years to china) has seen their pay go up three fold
of course BOTH ideas were at the hands of the puppet masters - just landing different elements of the catastrophe
enjoy hearing the truth -
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If Park Lane can sell a five-month-old GSA with just 155 miles, all options ticked, for £17,900, then it doesn't look good for the residuals.
That's getting on for a grand a month depreciation.
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That's getting on for a grand a month depreciation.
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From the picture in the ad, looks like it’s the new chain driven 1300If Park Lane can sell a five-month-old GSA with just 155 miles, all options ticked, for £17,900, then it doesn't look good for the residuals.
That's getting on for a grand a month depreciation.
BMW-Details Used bikes
If Park Lane can sell a five-month-old GSA with just 155 miles, all options ticked, for £17,900, then it doesn't look good for the residuals.
That's getting on for a grand a month depreciation.
BMW-Details Used bikes
Buy a new GSA, ride it 30 miles a month for 5 months, chop it in. Any surprise you'll be taken to the cleaners? Hardly typical ownership.
Bikes, buy in winter sell in summer, down jacket, buy in summer, when they are cheaper, wear in winter.
I feel they are holding up well my example would be
I can buy a 25 k 1/3/26 registerd bike RRP 25k dealer price £22.5 I would like to buy a 2025 registerd bike with low miles on that reflects it is 2nd hand IMO that would need to be at least take the vat of 22.5k =18 k then IMO it should depreciate in what is not the best of times say 4k per year so ..... I recon a 2nd hand 2025 bike costing new 25k should be
0-6 months old cost 16K
6-12 months old cost 14k
So far I cant get close to 2nd hand being viable maybe thats just 1 reason on re-sale bikes are doomed.
I can buy a 25 k 1/3/26 registerd bike RRP 25k dealer price £22.5 I would like to buy a 2025 registerd bike with low miles on that reflects it is 2nd hand IMO that would need to be at least take the vat of 22.5k =18 k then IMO it should depreciate in what is not the best of times say 4k per year so ..... I recon a 2nd hand 2025 bike costing new 25k should be
0-6 months old cost 16K
6-12 months old cost 14k
So far I cant get close to 2nd hand being viable maybe thats just 1 reason on re-sale bikes are doomed.
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