Sena SMH10 to Interphone F5s

[Blobby]

Has anyone on here used both of these as while I think the SMH10 is great due to it's simplicity (when wearing thick gloves) and has good volume, it just isn't waterproof and in fairness, I don't think Sena claim it is? I've just drowned my second SMH10 so need buy a good waterproof alternative.

My daily use is linked to iPhone5 for calls/music, sometimes to Zumo 660 for navigation/music, occasional bike to bike comms to other Sena headsets and sometimes via Sena SR10 when using bike to bike radios.

Or, is there a better waterproof headset with big simple to use buttons that I should be looking at.

Would really appreciate some advice.

 

[ianm00]

I have scala G9 and never had a problem with waterproofing. I have been out in heavy rain mainy times. However buttons are not easy to use with gloves, but voice commands can be used 75% of the time.

 

[chas820]

Dont forget if you change from the SMH10 to a Scala you will not be able to talk to your mates on theirs.Have you spoken to Sena about the problem?

 

[Blobby]

chas820. No I haven't but I will contact Sena to see what they say. I think when it's raining the water simply gets in through the gap around the charging socket rubber seal as that's where it drips out when I shake the unit afterwards. It's fine with the occasional shower but persistent rain and it starts playing up, just as the previous one did.

 

[twowheeltrekkers]

First the Sena is water proof up to a point, i.e. if you drop it in a swimming pool and it goes beyond about 1 metre depth then it is not waterproof as the pressure increases's with depth, however riding the bike there is no depth issue so it should remain water proof, depending on where you got the Sena from you should return it and get it replaced under warranty.
I have sol loads of them over the last 3 years and so far no one has returned a Sena that has failed due to water ingress, I also sell Interphone as well, I have had one F4 returned which suffered a failure because of water getting in while riding the bike, Interphone changed it without any quibble
Personally I think the Sena is a better product than the F5 especially if you want to listen to music as the sound quality is better.



Cheers

 

[twowheeltrekkers]

Dont forget if you change from the SMH10 to a Scala you will not be able to talk to your mates on theirs.Have you spoken to Sena about the problem?

There is no problem connecting a Sena to a Scarla or Interphone, or any of the other bluetooth intercoms on the market, they will all connect with each other, the only issue is that whichever one has the least range and number of Bluetooth connections will dictate the range and number in the group.



Cliff

 

[Bumpkin]

There is no problem connecting a Sena to a Scarla or Interphone, or any of the other bluetooth intercoms on the market, they will all connect with each other, the only issue is that whichever one has the least range and number of Bluetooth connections will dictate the range and number in the group.

Really, I had been lead to believe that the longer range bike to bike aspect of these devices was proprietary technology, and in fact not Bluetooth at all, unique to each manufacturer rendering them incompatible.

I can see that you are involved with these products in a trade sense and would love that the above be declared incorrect and be proved a myth. I assume that you have tested these at range using the bike to bike feature rather than the rider to pillion intercom feature which does, I believe, adhere to the Bluetooth standard.

To date one of the aspects of these systems that has put me off has been this apparent small mindedness of the manufacturers and have advised others of this shortcoming. I maybe forced to eat humble pie...

 

[twowheeltrekkers]

I have used my Sena SMH10 with a friend using a Scala Rider G4 so i can confirm that they work together and i have customers who have purchased the Sena's and used them to talk to other riders using different makes, the worst ones seem to be the BMW and Schuberth bluetooth intercoms which are actually a Scarla Rider G4 with the aerial inside the helmet which reduces the range



Cliff

 

[Neil W]

What is the average price for a pair of SMH-10's ? as yet again my wife is pressurising me into buying an intercom and it seems the most suitable

 

[Swissdoc]

I have used my Sena SMH10 with a friend using a Scala Rider G4 so i can confirm that they work together and i have customers who have purchased the Sena's and used them to talk to other riders using different makes, the worst ones seem to be the BMW and Schuberth bluetooth intercoms which are actually a Scarla Rider G4 with the aerial inside the helmet which reduces the range



Cliff

Really? This comes as a complete surprise to me too as I have always been led to believe (and have not seen anything until your post to disprove) that the different bluetooth devices will not pair with each other.

It has always seemed a nonsense to me - given that each will pair with a number of other bluetooth devices (phone/garmin etc...) but I thought this was a fact...

Would love to hear it from someone else - as I would very much like to pair my sharktooth with other people's Sena/Cardo/Interfone etc... never thought it possible...

 

[Bumpkin]

I have used my Sena SMH10 with a friend using a Scala Rider G4 so i can confirm that they work together and i have customers who have purchased the Sena's and used them to talk to other riders using different makes, the worst ones seem to be the BMW and Schuberth bluetooth intercoms which are actually a Scarla Rider G4 with the aerial inside the helmet which reduces the range

Thanks for that Cliff, very interesting.

It has always seemed a nonsense to me - given that each will pair with a number of other bluetooth devices (phone/garmin etc...) but I thought this was a fact...

Well, I had always worked under the misguided assumption, bolstered by the writings of others, that the long range aspect of these headsets isn't an agreed standard and therefore proprietary. The shorter range aspect is done via Bluetooth standard protocols to enable connection to other devices (phone, GPS, other headsets etc.) that comply with the standard.

Still can't quite believe it but looking for a sauce to make my hat palatable

 

[twowheeltrekkers]

What is the average price for a pair of SMH-10's ? as yet again my wife is pressurising me into buying an intercom and it seems the most suitable

I sell the SMH10 Dual set for £260 with free shipping for UKGSer's The retail price should be £324.99 If you decide to order a set from my website www.adventurebikeshop.co.uk use the code UKGSfree-s for free delivery, you do have to register to get the free shipping.



Cliff

 

[twowheeltrekkers]

Thanks for that Cliff, very interesting.



Well, I had always worked under the misguided assumption, bolstered by the writings of others, that the long range aspect of these headsets isn't an agreed standard and therefore proprietary. The shorter range aspect is done via Bluetooth standard protocols to enable connection to other devices (phone, GPS, other headsets etc.) that comply with the standard.

Still can't quite believe it but looking for a sauce to make my hat palatable

Hopefully someone out there will be able to confirm that they have used there Bluetooth intercom with another brand of intercom, from personal experience i can only say that I have paired the Sena to the Scala



Cliff

 

[chas820]

I was so surprised of your ability to pair two different makes of headsets that I emailed Rick Korchak editor of Webbike world.This is his email to me.

"So far we have tried 13 different intercoms, ranging from Sena to Hurob, and have not been able to pair any. Have a few more to try today but I doubt very much that any intercom of one brand will pair with another, unless the two are made by the same company (i.e., Schuberth and Cardo).

Will publish some results when available."

Rick.

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Rick Korchak
Editor
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http://www.webbikeworld.com

 

[Bumpkin]

Thanks for that Chas, interesting/confusing...

 

[twowheeltrekkers]

Now you have got me going, i will have to do some more research on this, first point of call will be tech help at Sena.



Cliff

 

[twowheeltrekkers]

Ok Bumpkin its me thats going to have to eat my hat, they will not work with other makes, first i contacted my man here, he thought they would connect to other makes but he contacted Sena Europe and they said no it will only work with another Sena unit, It would seem that you are right, the bluetooth bit is only short range like your phone which explains why i managed to pair with a mates G4 but that it only worked when we were really close together, we put it down to his Scala set being the basic one that came with a Tom Tom rider about 3 years ago.
So now i feel pretty dumb, why the manufacturer do not make them so that they work with each other is beyond me.



Cliff