Shift Cam DIY valve servicing

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Not sure if this has has been posted yet but it’s very informative, unfortunately for me, whilst I’m confident in being able to do it, the costs of the kit required would rule it out.
I’d need a new decent micrometer, shim set, the valve setting tools and a decent low range torque wrench, mine only goes down to 12nm.
Love it when people do videos like this set, could be something for a group to consider who live reasonably local though.
https://youtu.be/CZ8N--cQ7mI
 
I'd love to do my own valve service, and whilst I have all of the tools, the cam chain tensioner tool is no longer sold. :mad:
 
I'd love to do my own valve service, and whilst I have all of the tools, the cam chain tensioner tool is no longer sold. :mad:
Watched the video twice.

The only specialist tool on it was alignment jig. That's available .

The video guy made some form of cam chain tensioner tool himself out of threaded bar bolt and copper sleave . He seems to sell them if you wish see the replies in the video.

There's nothing in that video that is classically specialist tool wise. I'd say I could do it with my existing tools in the garage.
 
“The video guy…”
That pretty much sums up what it takes.
Ah your the video guy !

No offence meant, I was replying to the previous poster who inferred he was not doing it as was unable to get the tools. I referenced that you supply them so read the comments to get in touch .

Nice video BTW. Beautiful level of detail.
 
Watched the video twice.

The only specialist tool on it was alignment jig. That's available .

The video guy made some form of cam chain tensioner tool himself out of threaded bar bolt and copper sleave . He seems to sell them if you wish see the replies in the video.

There's nothing in that video that is classically specialist tool wise. I'd say I could do it with my existing tools in the garage.
You need to know what force is needed. I have a spare tensioner and machines to make the tensioner tool, but without the type of spring or any details of the tool it would just be guess work.
 
“The video guy…”
That pretty much sums up what it takes.
Hello,

Do you sell the tensioner tool, or sell details of it? As stated your videos made me want to do the valve clearances and timings myself, so I purchased all of the tools, however I've been waiting 6 months for the cam tensioner tool from BMW and they are not supplying it, and have no idea if it will be available again.
 
I am going to watch the vids this evening but just so i don`t miss anything am i correct in assuming that no special tools are required to check the valve clearances but if a shim needs replacing to bring it into spec then special tools are required?
 
To do the 12k check of Valve Clearance you just need the feeler gauges.
If you need/want to change any shims, you’ll need a low range torque wrench for the 10Nm needed on the cam bearing caps and an accurate caliper or mic to measure shims.
Cam Timing is a One Time thing that I do purely as an elective procedure to put the Cams back to factory original build configuration.
So to wrap it up, I have done 157 Cam Timing Alignments, with 12k Valve Clearance checks on WetHead and ShiftHead bikes.
After I do these physical adjustments to the engine, I Reset the 5 Adaptive Values in the Engine Module of the GS-911.

These 3 things usually have a very, very positive effect on performance and ride quality.

To be clear, the ONLY reference in the BMW Service DVD to using any of the Cam Alignment Tools is when one or more of the Cams has been replaced.
The 12k Valve Clearance check is all that is required and can be done with just a few tools that don’t cost too much.

Brad
 
To do the 12k check of Valve Clearance you just need the feeler gauges.


To be clear, the ONLY reference in the BMW Service DVD to using any of the Cam Alignment Tools is when one or more of the Cams has been replaced.
The 12k Valve Clearance check is all that is required and can be done with just a few tools that don’t cost too much.

Brad
My 1250 is booked in with the supplying dealer to have my pants pulled down and have the 12k `valve check service` soon....
So all they will do for the extra £££££ is to wave a feeler gauge around the heads (hopefully they do actually do it....) and check the clearances, they won`t use the camchain setting tool and they won`t check the valve timing as you do in your vid as there should be no need once it`s factory set (you do it as a matter of course for good engineering principles and to make sure your/your customers bikes are in the best state of tune they possibly could be)?
What percentage of 1250`s in your experience require shimming at the 12k interval?
I think i`d rather have you do my service than the clowns at the dealers.....
 
One thing to point out is that setting of the Cams back to “assembly line perfect” is what I like to do once the normal seating and break in of all the cam train has occurred.
Once the break in has stabilized, it (cam timing) will change almost none for upward of 100k, so it’s done.
As far as valves, the dealer has no guidance to do ANY extra work if the clearance is within the range specified.
Again, I set the valves to a very specific value of 0.12mm for the Intake and 0.36mm for the Exhaust. This will allow for what I have observed as the common change of clearance in the direction of opening the clearance up over time.
To answer the question of what percentage “require” shim changes at the first 12k, I would say something like 5 percent.
If I answer the question as to what percentage do I change to hit the target I use…the answer is almost 98 percent.

So, the dealership is not doing anything wrong by just saying that the clearances are within specifications, and I’m doing extra work by changing almost ALL the shims to the target numbers I think work best.
Two primary reasons for setting the values where I do is to enjoy a quieter engine for thousands upon thousands of miles/KM, and to do it once at the first 12k so that you have adjusted and recorded your shim values and can simply know that they most likely will not need to be changed for a long, long time…and then if they do open up dramatically/quickly that it means you have had some poor quality gas that has made excessive carbon deposits that are causing the valves to not seat properly.

My approach to working on these bikes is more about preventative maintenance than routine maintenance, so understand that what I do is sometimes beyond the norm.

Brad
 
My approach to working on these bikes is more about preventative maintenance than routine maintenance, so understand that what I do is sometimes beyond the norm.

Brad
Completely understand that, and the fact you take pride in your work and want to achieve the best possible result.
The dealers however do the bare minimum required to get your bike through the workshop as quickly as possible in order to maximise efficiency (profit) because to them your bike - your pride and joy - is just yet another anonymous unit, a number on a job ticket and the owner a cash cow.
I`ll be doing my own servicing as soon as the warranty expires...
 
You don't need most of those 'special' tools if you understand the job. And if you don't understand the job, you shouldn't be doing it.

Fancy tools or not.

Even when I was working in a BMW main dealer on the 1250s, most of the special tools never came out of the draw for a valve check and shim replace. And no, not even when we were being shown how to do it at the BMW academy.

For a disassembly and rebuild, then yes, some are needed. But no DIY will likely ever do that.

A shim check is very easy. You need a handful of inexpensive tools.

Engine turning tool !! LOL...

Mechanics put it in 5th gear and turn the back wheel.
 
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Ahhh yes. A 'youtuber'

From the Mecca of professional, time served, accredited and fully accountable advice which is YouTube.

Where anyone with a GoPro and a manual can sell themselves as an expert with no accountability or peer review.

No need to get your panties in a twist. You're obviously a competent DIY mechanic and I'm sure your videos are helpful to many.












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Mechanics put it in 5th gear and turn the back wheel.
That's what I did on my old Honda VTR1000 - regrettably, I turned it in the opposite direction of travel and the cam-chain 'jumped' a tooth or two, meaning the job took a lot longer than need be...

Lesson learnt!
 
Did you have your tensioner or chain guides off ?

It's not normal for the chain to slip when going backwards. But V-twins can be fickle.
 


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