So aircooled boxer isn't stopped..

[ryan0708]

I am about to purchase 2013 GS1200 Triple black..
Actually I bought it 3 months ago and I had to return it because the dealer registered the bike as a BMW X1.
I got all the money back and now I need to decide again. ShiT!!!

I really liked the bike. It was my first BMW that has made me a BMW fan from Ducati freak. I still like ductis but GS is crazy nice...

Well... since I got all my money back, I researched little bit of New GS.
It is not actually water cooled. It is still air cooled boxer with radiator instead of oil. So should it be really called water cooled GS??

Well I still want to buy the last GS that probably many problems have been already solved.

What would be the good other reasons to stay with this last air-oil cooled boxer other than "you don't want to buy the new version that is not approved in many ways yet.."?

It seems like air-water cooled will be better for someone who uses GS for both commute and trips.

 

[autogs]

the water cooled one would suit your climate better imo,hot conditions see the hexhead becoming lumpy and stall prone.

 

[APE]

The main reason for going for the older model is that is should cost you less. I'd expect a decent saving as you'll take a bigger depreciation hit as you're buying the old model.

Other reasons include readily available accessories - both new and secondhand. Try finding a pair of Ohlins or an akro pipe for the new model on eBay.

Finally those running lights look really shite

 

[Bendy toy]

There are other things. The new model has an entirely different drive system with a "normal" Japanese style clutch and gearbox. Fine, but the crank is still along the frame so it has to be using two sets of bevel gears, plus the usual set in the back wheel. Personally I dont see how all this complexity is worth the benefit of an easy to service clutch.

In my opinion the Triple Black was a great choice. Its more likely to hold its value being a sought after model and mechanically most things are reliable. (though reading the forums you could be forgiven for thinking they all fall to pieces.

As others have said you should push for a very good discount or buy a nearly new used bike. If the new model is as good as BMW say it is the older models will lose value more quickly. On the other hand BMW have always said that and the outgoing models have all retained good resale values.

 

[JJH]

I cant see why there would be 2 extra sets of bevil gears in there just because there is a wet clutch. JJH

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

I cant see why there would be 2 extra sets of bevil gears in there just because there is a wet clutch. JJH

I am with you.
Crank is turning in the same direction as the shaft so no bevel gears required other than the usual fd. There will be extra gears in there but they will be normal straight gears.

 

[JJH]

I'm mot even sure that there will be any extea gears at all. JJH

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

There is an extra shaft that the clutch is on running parallel to the crank. There will need to be at least one extra as the primary drive to the clutch. Possibly another gear at the other end of the shaft as well but there doesn't have to be one there.

 

[JJH]

intresting and thank you JJH

 

[ryan0708]

Wow.
I have no idea about this technology topic.
What I want is the bike that I can ride for long time.
Since I am here in Brazil, I want to travel a lot.

 

[cookie]

There is an extra shaft that the clutch is on running parallel to the crank. There will need to be at least one extra as the primary drive to the clutch. Possibly another gear at the other end of the shaft as well but there doesn't have to be one there.

where are the bevel gears? they're only needed to turn the dive through 90 degrees.

back on topic - if i was buying a GS now, i'd be buying the water boxer.

 

[Devil]

what % of the engine is water cooled, against the oil cooled version. ?

From what ive been told, its a 5% change.

Oil cooled 35%
Water 40%

Now im not say anything against the water cooled bike, but its alot of changes for 5%.

I will not say this infomation is 100% correct, but im sure someone here will know exactly.

 

[ryan0708]

what % of the engine is water cooled, against the oil cooled version. ?

From what ive been told, its a 5% change.

Oil cooled 35%
Water 40%

Now im not say anything against the water cooled bike, but its alot of changes for 5%.

I will not say this infomation is 100% correct, but im sure someone here will know exactly.

I took it from MCN
With the new very compact cooling system, it has been possible to significantly improve the cooling ratio and thus the heat management system as compared to the predecessor model (22 % oil cooling / 78 % air cooling) in the new BMW 1200 GS (35 % liquid cooling / 65 % air cooling). The new liquid cooling adds weight to the vehicle as compared to the previous air/oil cooling system, but due to its very compact size and high efficiency, this is only a very moderate addition of approx. 2.7 kilograms.

 

[ryan0708]

where are the bevel gears? they're only needed to turn the dive through 90 degrees.

back on topic - if i was buying a GS now, i'd be buying the water boxer.

Air and water together actually sounds very good.
But my problem is that I always liked to buy the last model. For example, I have 2008 monster S4RS which is the last monster series and 1198s which is the last ducati super bike with dry clutch and frame.

However, I sold them after I tried GS. hahaha..
GS is very comfortable and it also does pretty much everything that sports bikes do too.

GS is very expensive here in Brazil and I do want to buy the right one and keep it for long time...

 

[davegs]

Air and water together actually sounds very good.
But my problem is that I always liked to buy the last model. For example, I have 2008 monster S4RS which is the last monster series and 1198s which is the last ducati super bike with dry clutch and frame.

However, I sold them after I tried GS. hahaha..
GS is very comfortable and it also does pretty much everything that sports bikes do too.

GS is very expensive here in Brazil and I do want to buy the right one and keep it for long time...

What about Ducatis? are they not expensive?.

 

[Mad_Accountant]

It's a no brainer - buy the new model

 

[ryan0708]

What about Ducatis? are they not expensive?.

I think Brazil is the only country that GS1200 is more expensive than Mutistrada 1200S.

 

[KAYCEE]

I am about to purchase 2013 GS1200 Triple black..
Actually I bought it 3 months ago and I had to return it because the dealer registered the bike as a BMW X1.
I got all the money back and now I need to decide again. ShiT!!!

I really liked the bike. It was my first BMW

So did you actually get the bike? If so, why did you have to return it, could the dealer not have sorted out the registration issues?

 

[ryan0708]

What about Ducatis? are they not expensive?.

So did you actually get the bike? If so, why did you have to return it, could the dealer not have sorted out the registration issues?

They first said that they will fix it in 2 weeks so I took the bike and had if for three months. But I couldn't have insurance on it. I talked to them again and they said it will take much longer time to fix the problems so they wanted to give me new bike instead. But they were about to have 2500$ discount on GS and I told them I just want my money back.
I returned the bike and got money back.

Now I can buy same GS triple black for 2500$ less or I can wait few more months and get new one for 10000$ more.

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

where are the bevel gears? they're only needed to turn the dive through 90 degrees.

back on topic - if i was buying a GS now, i'd be buying the water boxer.

Read my previous posts, I never said there were extra bevel gears I said there wasn't extra bevel gears. What you quoted is talking about standard straight gears to change from shafts.