SOME ADVICE PLEASE ELECTRICAL/BUILDING

[Pablo1]

Im doing a bathroom shortly and have been asked to include an extractor fan, there is a vent grill (masonary) already in the room above an electric shower which is coming out (replacing with bath mixer tap shower at other end of bath so no risk of water in this area in future).

The current shower is switched from a pull cord in ceiling nearby.

So I'm thinking, remove tiles around the vent, chisel off vent facing,duct if necessary with some 4" pipe, use supply for old shower, replace breaker in consumer unit with a 5amp, fit fan, bobs your mothers brother ?

Any advice or hints and tips much appreciated

 

[PeeBee]

You've absolutely no chance of getting the shower feed cable into the connectors of the fan! It's usually a struggle with 1.5 t&e.

Replace the switched feed from the pull switch with 1.5 t&e to the fan.

 

[Benside]

Normally you would have the fan connected to the lighting circuit in the bathroom. Should have a switch wire and a permenant feed from the supply to enable the fan to continue running on for a while after light is switched off, will also need it's own isolater. If you are getting paid to do this for someone, get a sparky in to do it for you properly. Don't know why people feel it's ok to f**k about with electrics, especially somewhere like a bathroom where the consequences of making an erse of it could be fatal.

 

[Pablo1]

Normally you would have the fan connected to the lighting circuit in the bathroom. Should have a switch wire and a permenant feed from the supply to enable the fan to continue running on for a while after light is switched off, will also need it's own isolater. If you are getting paid to do this for someone, get a sparky in to do it for you properly. Don't know why people feel it's ok to f**k about with electrics, especially somewhere like a bathroom where the consequences of making an erse of it could be fatal.

They dont want it running on a timer

Thanks for the vote of confidence

 

[ianboydsnr]

Normally you would have the fan connected to the lighting circuit in the bathroom. Should have a switch wire and a permenant feed from the supply to enable the fan to continue running on for a while after light is switched off, will also need it's own isolater. If you are getting paid to do this for someone, get a sparky in to do it for you properly. Don't know why people feel it's ok to f**k about with electrics, especially somewhere like a bathroom where the consequences of making an erse of it could be fatal.

I f**ked about with electrics in my bathroom, in 1996, fan is connected to lights and permanent live through a fused isolater, still seem to be alive

 

[Benside]

Didn't mean to offend Pablo, just being realistic.
I wouldn't fit a gas fire for someone as I'm not qualified, just the same as I wouldn't expect someone unqualified to carry out electrical work especially if being paid for it. I think it's a fair comparison. In the past I've carried out repairs on botched work carried out by amateur sparks which has been nothing short of horrendous.

 

[Benside]

Ok ianboydsnr.

I now see the light. I will pack in my day job and look for other work.

Electricians are not now required as there are enough experts out there who know it all.

Thanks for that.

 

[ianboydsnr]

Ok ianboydsnr.

I now see the light. I will pack in my day job and look for other work.

Electricians are not now required as there are enough experts out there who know it all.

Thanks for that.

I thought as much,
Your one of those electricians who tell customers that without everything going through a RCD, that they are living in a death trap,

When there are millions of homes still running through fuse wire,

Your an electrician, it's not that complicated!

 

[Benside]

Wrong again, don't have customers mate, don't do house bashing.

What a waste of time that 4 year apprenticeship was. Anyway luckily we've got experts like you to keep us right.

While you're there, going by you're expert knowledge, could you let me know if there has ever been any fatal fires caused by poor wiring and poor protection (rewireable fuses for example). I'm sure going by what you say the answer will obviously be no.

 

[zoot]

part p if your doing it for a living (in England) gas safe register for gas, if your doing it for yourself no problem till it goes tits up then you have to prove competence, the rules may be different over the boarder.

 

[blindbill]

get your 17th edition or full part p......you may not just electrocute yourself and then you can see how the local prison showers are plumbed in

 

[Gossy]

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?341598-advice-from-electrician-please

Another day another dollar for DIY.

 

[Lodgey62]

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That may well be a 30amp supply going to that unit.
DONT F..K with it!

 

[ianboydsnr]

get your 17th edition or full part p......you may not just electrocute yourself and then you can see how the local prison showers are plumbed in

That's a simple course to weed out simpletons that should not do much more than breathe!
You sir are up your own arse,

I have wired many many houses all certificated, and completely safe,

Keep pushing your closed shop professional shit, but don't be such an arse about it!

 

[Benside]

Ianboydsnr, you sir can only be described as a complete bellend.

You really are showing your ignorance. I really like you previous 'Your an electrician, it's not that complicated'

In my 25+ years of experience I have found more often than not that yes 'it is that complicated' . I wouldn't waste my breath on trying to explain to you how wrong you are, but you sound such a stupid cnut anyway there would be no point trying.

Either that or you are taking the piss (that would be the only way your comments make any sense)

 

[Pablo1]

You've absolutely no chance of getting the shower feed cable into the connectors of the fan! It's usually a struggle with 1.5 t&e.

Replace the switched feed from the pull switch with 1.5 t&e to the fan.

Thanks your absolutely right, much appreciated.

 

[Pablo1]

I thought as much,

Your an electrician, it's not that complicated!

Agreed thank you, ian we must meet

I wouldn't fit a gas fire for someone as I'm not qualified,.

Neither would I

get your 17th edition or full part p......you may not just electrocute yourself and then you can see how the local prison showers are plumbed in

Part p does not apply in scotland, different regs up here, your obviously one of the closed shop brigade.

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?341598-advice-from-electrician-please

Another day another dollar for DIY.

hope your not stalking me gossy

That may well be a 30amp supply going to that unit.
DONT F..K with it!

Read the post again you moron

Firstly, It was not my intention to start a flouncing thread, I genuinely research very thouroughly before taking on any work, I'm doing the bathroom thats a given, any plumbers out there who want to warn me of the dangers of water you can just fuck right off now, dont waste your breath.

Secondly Ive not decided what aspects of the fan installation I'm doing myself, I'll decide when Ive gathered all the relevent information, any electrical work ive undertaken previously has been approved as a diy task, nonetheless ive paid for a qualified spark to check my work before walls were plastered or whatever and issue any required certificate of alteration if appropriate.

Before retiring I managed a business with turnover of £80m, however the hourly rate Ive been quoted from some "electrical contractors" put my hourly rate to shame. e.g. install a consumer unit £150 +materials (fault investigation not included), thats fucken potentialy £75 bangers an hour, or £150k a year.

If you dont have anything useful to contribute, fuck off, its not rocket science, like it or not im not prepared to be dissuaded by scary stories.

 

[Pablo1]

I thought as much,

Your an electrician, it's not that complicated!

Agreed thank you, ian we must meet

I wouldn't fit a gas fire for someone as I'm not qualified,.

Neither would I

get your 17th edition or full part p......you may not just electrocute yourself and then you can see how the local prison showers are plumbed in

Part p does not apply in scotland, different regs up here, your obviosly one of the closed shop brigade.

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?341598-advice-from-electrician-please

Another day another dollar for DIY.

hope your not stalking me gossy

That may well be a 30amp supply going to that unit.
DONT F..K with it!

Read the post again you moron

Firstly, It was not my intention to start a flouncing thread, I genuinely research very thouroughly before taking on any work, I'm doing the bathroom thats a given, any plumbers out there who want to warn me of the dangers of water you can just fuck right off now, dont waste your breath.
Secondly Ive not decided what aspects of the fan installation I'm doing myself, I'll decide when Ive gathered all the relevent information, any electrical work ive undertaken previously has been approved as a diy task, nonetheless ive paid for a qualified spark to check my work before walls were plastered or whatever and issue any required certificate of alteration if appropriate.
Before retiring I managed a staff of over 500 with annual business turnover of £80m, however the hourly rate Ive been quoted from some "electrical contractors" put my hourly rate to shame. e.g. install a consumer unit £150 +materials (fault investigation not included), thats fucken potentialy £75 bangers an hour, or £150k a year.

If you dont have anything useful to contribute, fuck off, its not rocket science, like it or not im not prepared to be dissuaded by scary stories.

 

[Benside]

Jesus Christ Pablo, get over it.

You are generalising that an electricians work is not that complicated. I work in a heavy industrial environment on a system with voltage up to 13.8Kv. I can guarantee you and Ian that it is, unlike your opinion extremely complicated at times. I served the same apprenticeship as most other sparkys and feel that I am qualified to give an opinion on what you say.
A sparkys work does not simply consist of connecting 2 ends of a cable in the right terminals, which is more or less what you pair are generalising. There is a great deal of knowledge, which maybe you have, required to carry out what many would assume are simple tasks.
I have no doubt you can connect a cable into a switch or socket without killing yourself, but I have in the past seen amateurs make a complete arse of this (even though it would test out ok).
As for the guys who quoted you £150 to change a consumer unit you should have bit his hand off. You think a job like that could be done in 2 hours! If it were me I would charge the same, assuming that with time taken to get to the job and set up, carry out the work competently, carry out testing and then tidy up, I'd be assuming I would take at least 4-5 hours by the time I get back to base, and that is being conservative based on a normal domestic consumer unit. Hourly rate then looks more like £30-£35, not much for a self employed person with overheads. You're maths also assumes the guy would get 40 hours a week every week of the year at £75/hour to earn £150000.
Your not doing your argument any favours by spouting such pish.
You make it sound like any tom dick or Harry could carry out electrical work. I have heard the same story as what you pair spout many times over the years and have seen the drastic results with my own eyes.
You have your opinion and I have mine, I know who's right.
Go ahead with you're work, I just hope it doesn't come back and bite you on the arse.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
That's the last word I have to say on this.

 

[Paul Rochdale]

As neither of you can tell the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE, I'm not letting any of you anywhere near my electrics.