SPIII altitude.

Howard Millichap

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I was on the X channel ferry the other day and fired up my SPIII. On the GPS info page it shows your altitude. -53ft (yes minus) I guess the tide was out???????
Now on the e-trex vista you had to adjust the settings to the current barometric pressure to give the correct altitude. Can't find any way to adjust the SPIII. Any help out there please?
 
Mike O said:

Why not?

Got over an hour to waste on the ferry and I wanted to review my routes. Just happened to look at the GPS page while it was starting up.
It's OK. I didn't swear at anyone or insult anybody. I wasn't racist and I didn't harass anyone. All inocent fun.
 
I don't think that you can callibrate the altitude on an SPIII - but then I've always found in pretty accurate.

I rode over Shap via the M6 the other day and the reading exactly matched the 'Shap Summit' sign (1,016ft???).

The altitude reading does take a little while to settle, but if you'd allowed that, you must have been in one of the world's ocean holes.

Greg
 
Altitude calculations on the SP III and SP 26xx are derived entirely from the position determined by satellite data, no reference is made to the maps at all.

The calculation is done using the WGS 84 spheriod model of the earth, which interpolates the shape of the spheriod from the equator to the pole.

So, when looking at the altitude display, you have to allow for the slight error that may exist due to the spheriod interpolation, then allow for whatever error might exist as a result of satellite geometry (quality of reception, number of satellites, etc.).

My experience, measuring it against known airport elevations, it that it is usually accurate to within about 50 feet. I compare it to the altimeter in the aircraft I fly. So, your report of -53 feet in the Channel is reasonable.

Just as a point of interest - GPS precision approaches are just being introduced for testing in some regions of the world that have either WAAS or local signal augmentation. Although these forms of signal augmentation can nail the lateral position down to about 3 feet, vertical position remains a problem - so, precision GPS approaches allow a decision height of only 250 feet above ground level, compared to 200 feet above ground level for precision approaches (Cat I) that use ground based navaids.

PanEuropean
 
PanEuropean said:

My experience, measuring it against known airport elevations, it that it is usually accurate to within about 50 feet. I compare it to the altimeter in the aircraft I fly. So, your report of -53 feet in the Channel is reasonable.


PanEuropean


OO that's reassuring then!!

'Ladies and Gentlemen, we are at an altitude of fifty feet and should be landi........*BANG* '

:rolleyes:
 
Fanum said:
OO that's reassuring then!!

'Ladies and Gentlemen, we are at an altitude of fifty feet and should be landi........*BANG* '

:rolleyes:

1: The aircraft would be using its rad alt below 2500'

2: It's unlikely that you would have DGPS in the channel but for precision approaches you would have it.

3: I would expect the pilot to be checking the approach and not talking to the SLC at 50'!

4: The altitude is of course where the antenna is, and most aircraft have them on the fuselage top (better view of the satellites especially low down) so I would be really worried if the GPS was showing an altitude of 50 and the wheels weren't already on the ground.

5: There is no 5



:D :D
 
John Armstrong said:
1: The aircraft would be using its rad alt below 2500'

2: It's unlikely that you would have DGPS in the channel but for precision approaches you would have it.

3: I would expect the pilot to be checking the approach and not talking to the SLC at 50'!

4: The altitude is of course where the antenna is, and most aircraft have them on the fuselage top (better view of the satellites especially low down) so I would be really worried if the GPS was showing an altitude of 50 and the wheels weren't already on the ground.

5: There is no 5



:D :D

Uh...Thanks John.

Hmm.
 
Fanum:

Yea, John pretty much covered it.

When GPS is used for instrument approaches on which the decision height or minimum descent altitude is based on a barometric altimeter reading, the minima is, as I mentioned before, 50 feet higher than it is for the same approach when it is flown using a ground based ILS installation (localizer and glideslope).

When ILS approaches are flown to minima lower than 200 feet (with or without GPS guidance, even as a secondary form of navigation), the pilot uses the actual aircraft height above ground, from the radar altimeter, to determine the decision altitude.

As you can see from the little picture in my avatar, I've got a few more instruments than just a handheld GPS - like, a full Honeywell Primus 2000 suite...

PanEuropean
 


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