SPIII Sun Glare

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crvfr said:
I was actually wearing both Ray Bans & using a HyperOptik tinted visor the last time I was out. That may well have made the problem worse. I've just bought a Shuberth S1 with a drop down sun visor, so I'll see what the difference is tomorrow. That is if the sun comes out, of course :)

Regards,

Charles

Yeah, had that in Aus recently. Polarised specs and dark visor. Just could not see anything of the SPIII. The contrast variance is crap. Had thought at one time about changing the sunset settings so it switched into night mode. Not tried that but it may work...
 
My experience has been the same as Roadriders - two years, and never a problem reading it. I wear very dark sunglasses when I ride (or fly) - they block about 95% of the light - but they are not polarized. I have a clear visor on my helmet.

I also used the SP III in the aircraft, when I was flying over Africa - used WorldMap to pick out cities, points of interest, etc. - in that situation, the GPSR was saitting up on the aircraft glareshield, in very very bright sunlight, and I could still read it OK, which is why I am so perplexed at Rob's problem. I'm sure there has to be an answer (a fix) for Rob somewhere - we just have to figure it out.

PanEuropean
 
Sun Glare

Wow its amazing what a simple question can start, very interesting reading. Going to make a temp plastic shade today and try it out, Pan I note your comment ref the angle, mine is in line my chest because I thought to have the angle down would reduce the glare, defo going to try lining it up with clocks/eyes. Thanks again.
Also been looking at mono options and have always liked the 176 but I am told by our local stockist that they are for marine use only. Have seen the new 276 which will now do both but it looks like that will only have a colour screen doh!
Later

Edit: Also have a dark visor, I did notice better clarity with it was up!
 
I have mine mounted just above the tankbag, any higher and I cannot see the idiot lights any lower and it catches the tank bag.

I was looking at the comments on the display and mine is like looking into a mirror, although it's no different to any of the other Streetpilots I've seen. The BMW navigator has a completely different screen. I'm wondering if its a problem with the 'Costco' streetpilots.
 

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I think it was Migsel who used to mount his above the clocks, or in front of them.(not his latest bracket version) and if your a tall person that would be a better place to see it in a direct line with your eyeline.
Rob have you tried using it off the bike in your car, what's it like then??. or stood holding it outside in the sun??
 
Well, thanks to the various tips, I'm now fairly happy with the screen. I did 200 miles today around the Dales, and the sun did just about come out now & again to test my changes. I've slightly altered the angle of my TT mount, adjusted the contrast down 2 notches, and with my new Shuberth S1. either with or without the sun visor down, I can still read it clearly. I think I might add the TT sunshade just to improve things a little bit more for when the sun really decides to come out!

Regards,

Charles
 
Well, what can I say, have played around with contrast brightness and mount angles and have got a degree is visibility. The best position is with the unit just reflecting the sky, if it is in line with my jacket or lid I cant see a thing!

Now the new problem not sure if this is due to the new angle but within 10 mins of being of the bike the screen has what I can only describe as a large condensation patch, this was with the bike sitting still on the stand so I'm not sure if its thats the cause, bit like leaving a mobile out in the sun the screen goes all funny. Took unit off the bike and put it inside and is was fine in a few mins.

More experimenting to be done I think.
 
Hi Rob:

Looking at your photo, it seems you have your GPS installed pretty much the same way I have mine installed.

There is only one build spec for the SP III - it's impossible that there would be any difference in the screen between one bought at Costco and one bought at Harrods.

As I mentioned before, the BMW Navigator I (original BMW Navigator) uses the very same screen cover as the Garmin SP III. The only difference is that the case on the BMW product is a different colour and has different silk screening on it. So, if you are saying there is a difference in reflection between your SP and BMW ones you have seen, then that strongly suggests that perhaps the anti-reflective coating on your SP has been polished off.

Best thing I can suggest is that you borrow a different SP III from another rider for an hour or so, and then ride around with it. If you notice any difference in your ability to read the display, then send yours in to Garmin UK to have a new front cover installed. I had a new front cover installed on mine by Garmin UK early in 2003, it was not expensive (about USD $25 seems to stick in my mind) - I took my unit to an avionics shop in Switzerland, they shipped it to Garmin UK.

The last suggestion - try putting a dark coloured towel over the top of your tank bag and riding around the block, see if that cuts down reflection from the plastic cover of the tank bag. This is really a "long shot", but I do recall that sometimes, when I have a very brightly coloured vest on (such as the EC safety yellow vests), the reflection of that colour in the SP III or SP 26xx screen is a nuisance.

If I had to lay a bet, after all that has been discussed - I'd lay a bet that either you or the previous owner of your SP III has inadvertantly polished off the anti-reflective coating. It's not hard to do - I did it once myself. When that coating is missing, it really is exactly like you said: "like looking into a mirror".

PanEuropean

PS to Bean Machine: I'll guess that condensation patch you refer to is just a result of moisture (dew) evaporating off your engine and rising up past your (cold) GPSR. I've seen that same thing happen on cool mornings when I start up my ST. Next time it happens, see if it goes away after you drive down to the end of the block.
 
Elevation...

Hi Pan European,

Whilst your on, if I may pose a question...................

My Navigator seems a bit confused when it come to how High we are

Last weekend Whilst parked up on a Quayside no mare than 15' above the water, it was showing between 60&75'. The accuracy was show 19'...........

I'd a thought it would have been a bit closer to the truth that .

Also, last year whilst riding over Drumochtar Pass on the A9 it was reading something around 680' at the top and then going into a Negative reading when I was well over 1000' feet!

It seems to have a few 'Mad Momments' like that from time to time.

I've tried to reset the height within the Menu (I live next to a Tidal River) but to no avail...any suggestions?

Cheers,

CC

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Interseting comment Pan, the patch I was refering to was actually on the inside?! If was about 15-16 deg outside at the time and even warmer in the direct sunlight I hope its not trapped moisture inside.
 
Rob Farmer said:
I have mine mounted just above the tankbag, any higher and I cannot see the idiot lights any lower and it catches the tank bag.

I was looking at the comments on the display and mine is like looking into a mirror, although it's no different to any of the other Streetpilots I've seen. The BMW navigator has a completely different screen. I'm wondering if its a problem with the 'Costco' streetpilots.
Rob want to try fitting my RAM mount ? Let me know will drop it off at Pidcocks if you are interested.
 
Gazza,

Thanks for the offer mate but I'll wait till one of the do's and have a look at some of the other Streetpilots. I know everybodies lying to me and can't really see theirs at all. I've just got an Autocom so the screen isn't so important now.

:beerjug:
 
Rob Farmer said:
I know everybodies lying to me and can't really see theirs at all.
I thought I had the 'Farmer's Curse' on mine today when I couldn't see the screen too easily, then I realised I had my sunny's on and the unit was tilted up a bit. Droppe it down and took the contrast down a couple of notches and Robert's your dad'd brother :thumb
 
Hello Everyone:

Some replies to questions on page 2:

CoolCarbon: Altitude displays on any GPSR - even one that you spend $40,000 on, such as an aviation model - are the weakest part of the whole system. The biggest part of the altitude problem comes from the geodesy side of things - the mathematical description of the ellipsoid used for the globe.

As you may recall from Sunday school, God was in a hell of a hurry when he created the world (only 6 days), and God did not have ISO 9000 Quality Control certification. The result of this is that the surface of the earth is not perfectly consistent - doesn't matter how you try and describe it mathematically, it's not going to conform. So, the best you can ever hope for in terms of altitude accuracy - with or without augmentation - is about 50 feet. In certain places and under certain conditions, the error can be as high as 80 feet.

It is very easy to resolve GPS errors on the 'X and Y' (latitude and longitude) axes, this can be nailed down to about 10 feet or so with augmentation, but it is a bitch to resolve the Z axis (altitude). It is technically possible to define altitude to 10 feet accuracy if you are willing to accept altitude from the middle of the earth, but that's not what most people want, they want altitude from the (irregular and sloppily constructed) mean sea level in their area.

For what it's worth, in aviation work, we never use an altitude input from GPS for any purpose at all. We send altitude inputs to our GPS from an old fashioned aneroid barometer, technology that has not changed much in 150 years, but is generally accurate to about 20 feet.

Bean Machine: No huge worry even if you do have a little bit of moisture inside your SP III. Just remove the battery cover and the batteries, leave the GPSR sitting in the sunlight, face down (battery compartment up) for a whole day, ideally with a slight breeze over it (outdoors, or near an air register) and it will be drier than a nun's fart at the end of the day.

If you don't have any sunlight handy, then go to a camera store, get a bag of desiccant from them (should be free), heat the desiccant up in a conventional oven to dry it out (15 minutes at 150° F), when the desiccant bag cools down, put it in the battery compartment, put the battery cover back on, leave the thing alone in a warm area (room temperature) for 24 hours, that will dry it out. My SP III often got a little moisture inside it after riding all day in heavy rain, it never hurt it. The moisture gets in via the battery compartment due to temperature changes (you don't need to worry about a leak), and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

The super-easy and super-fast way to dry it out is to take the battery cover off and take the batteries out, then mount it on your bike and go riding for a couple of hours on a warm dry summer day.

Rob Farmer: Are you located anywhere on a line between the Dover-Calais ferry and Manchester? If so, maybe I'll drop by and see you sometime this summer. I'm air-freighting my ST1100 to Europe in mid April, for a summer's worth of riding.

PanEuropean
 
Thanks Very much Pan E.

Informative as usual..........Top Man.

CC

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Ditto Coolcarbon, Pan you are bundle of valuable info thanx a lot.

BM
 
:) well i'm just a simple country boy but have just had 5 weeks thru Sth Australia with my GPS V and had no probs with reading the screen at all even when 48 deg, that was hot, and sunny
 
I used a GPS V for a year, no problem with sun-glare. Changed to a streetpilot III. The streetpilot seems to lose satalite reception far less often, and the bigger screen (sometimes) makes life easier. BUT....sun-glare! - can't see a thing is some conditions. I use a RAM mount, so can adjust the GPS, but what goos is that when the road twists???

Screen has a very blue finish, this seems to be making the problem worse.

Earlier in this thread, someone said that there was a 'powersaving mode' which makes the screen less bright, not on mine!!!

HELP
Carl
 


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