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.....very Ta ...Charlie
.....very Ta ...Charlie
Spine protectors?
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Toubab
charlie batty said:
Erm.....'twasn't cheap Charlie.....i got it from Sondel up at the archway......180 quid.....at the time i was in toy buying mode but now i've lived with it and have felt how good it is, it's definately worth it.....
Look at it this way........it effectively turns any sweatshirt or lightweight rain jacket into a fully armoured bit of riding kit.....
If I had to be in an accident, It would most definately be the thing I'd choose to wear out of all the sttuff I've got.....
PS i didn't look around and you can almost certainly get them cheaper.....but Ii was off on me first day on the DRZ the next day so I just went for it.
Come along to the dog racing night and borrow it for a few days if ya like......or drop past.....it's a top bit of kit
Bill
Steve Peake
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Beware of risk compensation
Decent safety kit only has a benefit if your riding style doesn't change when wearing it.
Trouble is, most people will ride faster or take more risks when they are wearing better kit. Everyone tends to have a "safety threshold" at which they are comfortable - a balance between speed/risk and "perceived" (not actual) safety. Change to a heavier jacket or quieter lid, you feel safer, and increase your speed or risk to get back to your safety threshold.
That back protector probably isn't doing much good if it adds 15-20mph to your max speed.
Discuss!
Decent safety kit only has a benefit if your riding style doesn't change when wearing it.
Trouble is, most people will ride faster or take more risks when they are wearing better kit. Everyone tends to have a "safety threshold" at which they are comfortable - a balance between speed/risk and "perceived" (not actual) safety. Change to a heavier jacket or quieter lid, you feel safer, and increase your speed or risk to get back to your safety threshold.
That back protector probably isn't doing much good if it adds 15-20mph to your max speed.
Discuss!
Spanish Bob
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Re: Beware of risk compensation
you are probably right. I guess its the same as people who "wear" volvos - they turn into deranged psychos.
However, I think you are wrong about speed being the problem in itself. Read Steve´s (can´t remember his nickname MMC?) post and letter. Riding faster and riding worse/more dangerously are not the same thing. Are they? discuss......
Ive been useing CE, Bmw spongy stuff and lower back armoured dildo and in my dainese winter jacket (atlas I think its called) it has the upper protector. They are better than nothing, but they move. I am sure that they wouldnt be in exactly the right place if I really need them to be. Perhaps its time to go down the fanum route.
Fanum how is the kidney belt part of the jacket? any good?
bob
Steve Peake said:
you are probably right. I guess its the same as people who "wear" volvos - they turn into deranged psychos.
However, I think you are wrong about speed being the problem in itself. Read Steve´s (can´t remember his nickname MMC?) post and letter. Riding faster and riding worse/more dangerously are not the same thing. Are they? discuss......
Ive been useing CE, Bmw spongy stuff and lower back armoured dildo and in my dainese winter jacket (atlas I think its called) it has the upper protector. They are better than nothing, but they move. I am sure that they wouldnt be in exactly the right place if I really need them to be. Perhaps its time to go down the fanum route.
Fanum how is the kidney belt part of the jacket? any good?
bob
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Toubab
Re: Re: Beware of risk compensation
No TBH....it's not wide enough and has a tendency to bunch up.....I've been wearing a wide kidney belt over the top of it and that works really well.
Could just be that i'm a fat git though.
Spanish Bob said:
No TBH....it's not wide enough and has a tendency to bunch up.....I've been wearing a wide kidney belt over the top of it and that works really well.
Could just be that i'm a fat git though.
Spanish Bob
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Re: Re: Re: Beware of risk compensation
emm....actually thats why I asked... so am I! Oh well
Fanum said:
emm....actually thats why I asked... so am I! Oh well
I wear a Dainese one all the time (on the bike!). I lowsided on a track day about 2 years ago and slid on my back over the curb at the track edge at about 80mph. I didn't feel the bump and walked away. My Shoei leathers and Arai helmet stood up well to the abuse as well. The upright riding position on the GS would give me lower back pain I recon if it weren't for the support of the Kidney belt on the back protector........and you can play ninja turtles when you take your jacket off
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Toubab
Re: Re: Re: Re: Beware of risk compensation
Bob......I'd still get one even knowing that the belt part isn't perfect...it does do a good job of anchoring ther chest plates and armadillo back bit down, it's just that it doesn't function well as a kidney protector.....but a moto-x one or simple neoprene jobby solves the problem.
It's also damn nice being able to wear any type of jacket over it without compromising my safety significantly.....and in fact increasing it markedly when I wear it under a pukka biking jacket.
Bill
Spanish Bob said:
Bob......I'd still get one even knowing that the belt part isn't perfect...it does do a good job of anchoring ther chest plates and armadillo back bit down, it's just that it doesn't function well as a kidney protector.....but a moto-x one or simple neoprene jobby solves the problem.
It's also damn nice being able to wear any type of jacket over it without compromising my safety significantly.....and in fact increasing it markedly when I wear it under a pukka biking jacket.
Bill
Re: Beware of risk compensation
Bugger me..........but if wearing a back protector will add 20mph to my GS, I'll be at the front of the queue
Steve Peake said:
Bugger me..........but if wearing a back protector will add 20mph to my GS, I'll be at the front of the queue
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Toubab
Just resurecting this thread 'cos I managed to test my armour proper style today on Roy's pogo stick Wombat hunt.
My own stupid fault, I was too close to Mr Bakerman when he slammed on the anchors, and I was in the middle of the track rather than to the side a little like him.
My front locked up, closely followed by the back on really slimy mud and gravel, and over I went, at about 20 I'd guess.
My outer waterproof jacket was shredded forearm, elbow and shoulder, but the armout really did its stuff and I have no bruising or skin marking where I'm certain wearing pretty much anything else I would have.
It's impossible to say what would have happened if I'd have been in other kit, but IMO, this armour suit, though bleeding expensive, paid for itself today.
My own stupid fault, I was too close to Mr Bakerman when he slammed on the anchors, and I was in the middle of the track rather than to the side a little like him.
My front locked up, closely followed by the back on really slimy mud and gravel, and over I went, at about 20 I'd guess.
My outer waterproof jacket was shredded forearm, elbow and shoulder, but the armout really did its stuff and I have no bruising or skin marking where I'm certain wearing pretty much anything else I would have.
It's impossible to say what would have happened if I'd have been in other kit, but IMO, this armour suit, though bleeding expensive, paid for itself today.
Wraithwrider
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Prompted by this thread I decided that I was worth decent protection!
I visited Fylde Superbikes today and bought an Alpinestars Bionic jacket with back, arm and shoulder armour. It fitted really well under the Hein Gericke suit and makes me look like I've been on steroids!
Asked for discount and they knocked £30 off making it £160.
So that's me pleased.
They had a 999R Ducati in - sex on wheels IMO.
Peter
I visited Fylde Superbikes today and bought an Alpinestars Bionic jacket with back, arm and shoulder armour. It fitted really well under the Hein Gericke suit and makes me look like I've been on steroids!
Asked for discount and they knocked £30 off making it £160.
So that's me pleased.
They had a 999R Ducati in - sex on wheels IMO.
Peter
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To link this in with the 'minimum protection' thread, would you wear this to go to work? Or to nip to the shops? If you don't wear it every ride, how do you decide when to use it and when to leave it?
Strangely enough, off to buy one at Berinsfield tomorrow morning.
sn1p3r
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I've been using a Dianese Safety jacket on my Mountain Bike for a few years and it's saved me many a broken bones. Not even thought about using it on the bike. All my cordura jackets have protection but admittedly, it's pretty crappy. Should really wear my Dianese jacket.
I've just taken the 'built in' BWM back protector out of my streetguard 2 jacket.
I'd like to wear it, but it makes the jacket too tight (when I tried the next size up it felt like it had been made for a large gibbon on steroids).
I also have a Dainese Gilet 2, which I never wear. So I'm backprotectorless. I must say that I think it WON'T stop your spinal cord being damaged, but will only stop bruising. [I hope Bob S isn't reading this, cos I only read it in a bike magazine]. I also think that the huge forces involved when your bodyweight hits the ground, even at 30 mph, will overwhelm the material in the back protector.
I'd like to wear it, but it makes the jacket too tight (when I tried the next size up it felt like it had been made for a large gibbon on steroids).
I also have a Dainese Gilet 2, which I never wear. So I'm backprotectorless. I must say that I think it WON'T stop your spinal cord being damaged, but will only stop bruising. [I hope Bob S isn't reading this, cos I only read it in a bike magazine]. I also think that the huge forces involved when your bodyweight hits the ground, even at 30 mph, will overwhelm the material in the back protector.
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Toubab
gasman said:
Prolly right there...nothing's going to protect you if you go into a post back-first at speed, but if it's a borderline case, it'll hep.....and falling onto the road as you describe, if you fall onto a stone/cat's eye etc etc, it may well make the difference between walking and not walking afterwards.
I know this isn't a very good way of thinking about it, but also being able to show that you've taken every possible precaution you could prior to an accident would also go in your favour in any court case post-accident/injury.
Yellow Peril
Registered user
Well having been hit head on and gone over the top of the car and hitting the deck plus a few other things, I am extremely grateful for the additional protection all my armour gave me. Consultant reckons it saved me from far more serious injuries.
By the way for interest it is &%$^*@# painful when they take these things off, which must be done at the road side as they do not fit body boards very well bends yoour neck and spine all wrong.
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By the way for interest it is &%$^*@# painful when they take these things off, which must be done at the road side as they do not fit body boards very well bends yoour neck and spine all wrong.
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RogerJ
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Am liking the honeycomb armour in my Rukka Air Power suit when it is hot because the air flows right through it, even the integral back protector. But for more piece of mind I add a Dainese kidney belt style hard protector. Use a shorter one for touring and a full length one for track days under full leathers. Guess I am more of a dress for the crash kind of guy come to think about it. Fanum......thanks for the report on the Safety Wave Jacket II....looks very tempting. However, you don't have to go such lengths in quality testing. Much appreciated.
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