Starcom1 Digital with Bluetooth iPhone - HELP

[Bumpkin]

Hi John, thanks for the extended and knowledgeable response

Firstly, I take mobile calls on the bike extremely rarely.

Same here, only to acknowledge a call and tell the other party that I'll ring back. Though I might well pull over and make the call though the Autocom sitting at the side of the road with my lid still on.

If on a long straight, clear road I might venture to hold a short conversation.

There is no muting on Phone 1 (Aux2 on the Super Pro Automatic) apart from incoming bike to bike (on Aux1) will mute the GPS/phone link.

According to my Super Pro Avi manual Aux1 activity cuts input on all other channels by 100%, with the exception of Aux4 which it cuts the transmit by 100%. It doesn't say what it does with the pillion headset but mine is never used anyway.

Tom Beman's (the unit architect) idea was that if your passenger says "Watch Out - Danger" this should take precedence over everything. If someone in the group connected by radio wants to issue a "Watch Out" then this should also take priority over an incoming call/GPS.

Is this is the way the Starcom works or Autocom?

If someone is jabbering inanely on the radio - tell them to shut up as you are trying to concentrate.

We try not to do that, jabber that is

On the older units connected by a #1273 into Phone 1 surely there should be no muting when the rider talks. The muting from riders speech should only have occurred if the phone was plugged into Phone 2 in order to receive stereo music.

The big problem with the pre 2009 Autocoms (not sure about later models) in respect of hooking up a GPS, that your phone can connect to, is that the audio comes out of the GPS via one channel if you're using the official, and fairly pricey, lead. Pluged into Aux1 this would put power into the tip by default and probably not a good idea. Anyway this would only give mono audio from MP3 if it did work.

Any of the other inputs and the audio in will be muted by 50% when the rider speaks, this reverts to 0% after a few seconds but probably after the other party has started talking.

The Autocom 4066 lead that I bought at the NEC show will probably go onto eBay and I'll revert back to using the 1273 in Aux1 and the sat nav via an isolated stereo lead. I already have all this, the 4066 was an attempt to get control of the phone though the sat nave for the convenience of POI calling etc. As you say phone use is rare. Used the 1273 for incoming phone calls all of three or four times since I've had it. The phone though the Garmin is a nice to have that I can do without. Life's too short to spend ages faffing about with that. I all other respects the Autocom set-up is very good.

Paul Barrett is the only ex-Autocom employee working at Tecstar and he is always willing to give advice. FYI, he told me that the factory no longer do any new installations, but they can recommend reliable fitters.

Thanks for the name

 

[beemerboy9]

Bumpkin,

I agree with everything you said.

Pre-2009 Autocom units are a PITA with a stereo GPS with phone and the preferred solution is the one you already have.

Tom Beman was the old MD of Autocom before it went TU. Tony Starling is the MD of Starcom.

I think #4066 would work fine with the Super Pro Automatic but would not give benefit over your existing set-up when used with a Super Pro AVi. Hopefully the salesperson made you clear on this amidst the hubbub of the NEC show.


John

 

[Bumpkin]

Hopefully the salesperson made you clear on this amidst the hubbub of the NEC show.

No they didn't

I did make it clear that I would be plugging it into a Super Pro Avi at one end and a Nuvi 765T at the other. The 765T has the same audio and mic sockets as the Zumo. However, despite two Bluetooth channels (phone and headset) it lacks the ability to link these as on the Zumo. The only way to use the phone though this GPS is hard-wired. Hence the interest in the 4066. I explained all that to the guy on the Autocom stand who mentioned nothing about the issues I'd encounter trying to get it to work.

A recent email dialogue with Paul at Autocom confirms that the 4066 will result in a 50% muting of the incoming call volume.

Will be sticking with direct phone to GPS via 1273 in Aux1, GPS via isolated lead and flogging the 4066.

 

[ianm00]

No they didn't

I did make it clear that I would be plugging it into a Super Pro Avi at one end and a Nuvi 765T at the other. The 765T has the same audio and mic sockets as the Zumo. However, despite two Bluetooth channels (phone and headset) it lacks the ability to link these as on the Zumo. The only way to use the phone though this GPS is hard-wired. Hence the interest in the 4066. I explained all that to the guy on the Autocom stand who mentioned nothing about the issues I'd encounter trying to get it to work.

A recent email dialogue with Paul at Autocom confirms that the 4066 will result in a 50% muting of the incoming call volume.

Will be sticking with direct phone to GPS via 1273 in Aux1, GPS via isolated lead and flogging the 4066.

I have autocom super pro avi and zumo 550. I have it connected as follows:
Phone connects to zumo via bluetooth.
Autocom bluetooth module (Part 1273) is plugged into Aux1.
Zumo connects to autocom bluetooth module with zumo bluetooth steeings set to phone only.
I have stero isolated lead connected from zumo (bike bracket output) to autocom aux2.
I have small FM radio to aux3.

I can hear zumo mp3 and navigation in stereo.
I can make receive phone calls controlled via zumo screen. The phone calls override zumo navigation and mp3. Also overrides fm radio.

zumo mp3 and navigation audio mixes with fm radio as they have same prority. I would like to have zumo navigation override fm radio but dont think I can do this.

For phone calls everything works but since aux1 doesn't have auto volume control when you speed up I cannot hear the caller although they can hear me fine. Im not sure if you can fix this somehow?

Lately I have been considering swapping for Scala G4 but not sure if the extra expense will really improve things much? I do like the idea of completely wireless and can remove all the autocom units from the bike.

Ian

 

[Bumpkin]

Thanks Ian

I have autocom super pro avi and zumo 550. I have it connected as follows:

Phone connects to zumo via bluetooth.

Nuvi 765 can do that

Autocom bluetooth module (Part 1273) is plugged into Aux1.
Zumo connects to autocom bluetooth module with zumo bluetooth steeings set to phone only.

Nuvi 765 can't do that

Phone only works through internal speaker and mic plus through sockets. There is no 'bridge' between the phone and headset Bluetooth stacks in the Nuvi like there is in the Zumos.

It's a shortcoming of the 765 that I can live with. For £115 it has a lot of the other functionality of the Zumo (aside from being IPX7 water resistant which is sorted with one of these).

Will carry on as I was with the knowledge that when I can can afford a Zumo I can use the hardware I have to achieve this nice little extra.

 

[beemerboy9]

I have autocom super pro avi and zumo 550. I have it connected as follows:
Phone connects to zumo via bluetooth.
Autocom bluetooth module (Part 1273) is plugged into Aux1.
Zumo connects to autocom bluetooth module with zumo bluetooth steeings set to phone only.
I have stero isolated lead connected from zumo (bike bracket output) to autocom aux2.
I have small FM radio to aux3.


zumo mp3 and navigation audio mixes with fm radio as they have same prority. I would like to have zumo navigation override fm radio but dont think I can do this.

You could try plugging the radio into Aux4. It should now be muted by aux 2 ( Idon't know what the factory setting is) but the sound might come out of only the left speaker.

For phone calls everything works but since aux1 doesn't have auto volume control when you speed up I cannot hear the caller although they can hear me fine. Im not sure if you can fix this somehow?

I am not aware of any solution other than to either slow down or get in ear monitors.

Lately I have been considering swapping for Scala G4 but not sure if the extra expense will really improve things much? I do like the idea of completely wireless and can remove all the autocom units from the bike.

Why don't you give Sam at Chainspeed a call?

 

[ianm00]

You could try plugging the radio into Aux4. It should now be muted by aux 2 ( Idon't know what the factory setting is) but the sound might come out of only the left speaker.



I am not aware of any solution other than to either slow down or get in ear monitors.



Why don't you give Sam at Chainspeed a call?

Yes using Aux 4 only gives one speaker so not much better. Im not really worried about this prioity as I can still hear navigator mixed with fm radio and I can always turn FM radio (dash mounted) off if I need navigation instructions.

I would like to solve the phone issue, I have considered adding an amplifier (filo or something) between the 1273 bluetooth module and autocom unit, but it needs custom cable to separate the audio and power from autocom 4pin jack. Would like to have the amp bike powered as well so was thinking to use the power from autocom to do this.

I did buy my autocom from Sam but theres no easy solution to fix phone audio.

Ian