Stolen bike...how can I stop this??

[richh]

I got 2 of the tiny Oxford disc locks that someone recommended on here. One for each front disc. They fit right in the gap between calipers and fork.

They are only little things but would be hard to attack due to access, probs have to cut both front discs. Awkward.


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[Mr Bean]

The weakest link is the below one.

I'm curious, why is the roadlok the weakest link?

 

[walkingpictures]

My preferred solution to bike theft is the legalise the shooting of all thieves... They wouldn't try it more than once ! It's actually my preferred solution to a whole range of crimes. Not only would you solve the crime problem, but population reduction would help save the planet AND think of all the savings from the Benefits system...

Agreed,in an ideal world if that silver bullet mentioned earlier came out of the gun and ended up in the scrotes head he wouldn't be around to nick another bike.

 

[Santa-2512]

Disc locks are just that

Locks for your disc's

All Buying the most expensive disc lock does, is make them go for the disc instead of the lock

If you want to defeat the push away, you have to make the bike immovable

A good D type lock through the discs & spokes / wheel webs or round the tyre is the better option , you want something that will foul wheel rotation


Anything you add over that is buying time

I'm surpirised that the insurance industry isnt pressing MC OEMS to improve security regarding pushaways

Auto engaging brakes on locking - locking the gearbox on locking the bike , anything to deter the push aways


Yet you ask tossers what they want on there bike and its propper indicators and back lit buttons ... go figure

 

[Wapping]

I'm surpirised that the insurance industry isnt pressing MC OEMS to improve security regarding pushaways

It’s not their job to.

They, the insurance companies, simply refuse to quote or push the premiums up to painful levels.

 

[Guru Gora]

While people spend 20 k on a bike and 50p on security we’re going to have problems

 

[oldenoughtoknowbetter]

Was travelling through Bulgaria a few years ago when the fuel pump packed up on my mate's 1150 Adventure. The recovery folks sent out two wrestlers in an old converted Toyota Hiace campervan, who promptly lifted up the bike, luggage and all, and popped it into the back of the camper. Took probably no more than 20 seconds! Couldn't believe what I was seeing. These were the good guys; there are plenty of similar bad ones out there.
There is no real answer to bike security, short of maybe welding it to the nearest lamp post. You can make it a little bit more difficult for them but.............

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

El Salvador, apparently.

Not Venezuela then ?

 

[SBD]

It’s not their job to.

They, the insurance companies, simply refuse to quote or push the premiums up to painful levels.

Mmm, the likes of Thatcham suggests otherwise.

The painful premiums clearly work, but maybe dialogue between insurers and vehicle manufacturers would work more quickly?

 

[Wapping]

but maybe dialogue between insurers and vehicle manufacturers would work more quickly?

The wheels of the motor industry grind exceedingly slow:

Insurer to Jaguar: Your vehicles are being stolen.

Jaguar: No they are not.

Insurer: We think they are.

Jaguar: We think they are not.

Thatcham approved devices are, in the main, secondary to a vehicle’s production. In other words, added outside the design perimeter of the original vehicle.

When manufacturers do fit a Thatcham approved device, say a tracker, punters:

A. Don’t trust them.

B. Don’t want to pay for them.

As this thread and others within the forum proves.

 

[SBD]

The wheels of the motor industry grind exceedingly slow:

Insurer to Jaguar: Your vehicles are being stolen.

Jaguar: No they are not.

Insurer: We think they are.

Jaguar: We think they are not.

Thatcham approved devices are, in the main, secondary to a vehicle’s production. In other words, added outside the design perimeter of the original vehicle.

When manufacturers do fit a Thatcham approved device, say a tracker, punters:

A. Don’t trust them.

B. Don’t want to pay for them.

As this thread and others within the forum proves.

I was thinking of the insurance rating of the vehicles before they’re launched, where the industry considers the antitheft features, and the costs of repairing accident damage, alongside the performance as part of the process of giving the vehicle a rating or insurance class.

Or don’t they do that any more?

 

[J biker]

I feel your pain, having had a bike stolen last year in Grenoble

Like you, I now have tracker installed, buried deep within the main wiring…, datatag, Abus chain lock, disc lock with alarm. If I am thinking it is at risk, I put the disc lock on the rear disc, no way they can get a grinder in there imo. As you have found out, the lock may be good, but if they can access they just cut the disk!

Last year they ignored the high security gate, camera and lights…and cut out a section of eight foot high security fencing!
Only funny side was that several KTMs were pushed out of the way to get at BMWs. So…buy a KTM ??

 

[Wapping]

I was thinking of the insurance rating of the vehicles before they’re launched

I don’t think any insurer (or buyer for that matter) believes that a car will have a hackable electrical system, leaving it exposed to theft, before it’s launched.

It took several years before the Jaguar problem became an epidemic, years over which thieves found the weakness, exploited it (sometimes with some very sophisticated gear) and then sold the ‘knowledge’ and gear on the dark web.

Eventually, the automotive industry does respond. A clear example was the enormous rash of radio thefts, rendered pointless once the radios became a part of the facia design and not a (sometimes) very expensive slot in.

Cars as a whole have become difficult to steal and they are bulky. Thieves move on; motorcycles are easy and often left totally unprotected or unsecured. Their parts are valuable and, once broken up, almost impossible to trace. Or move on to just stealing modern high resolution car lights, not to sell but to fire pot farms, staffed by illegal immigrant slaves. All you need is a can opener; job done.

One problem has been of punters’ own making. The demand to have a customer accessible data port, so the chimps can plug a cheap device in, to tell their garage what is wrong, has left cars exposed to theft, that would be reduced if manufacturers just refused to pander to this craze.

 

[zoltan]

Locking Centre stand and they would not get a grinder in to attack the lock.

Is that from Cymark?

 

[er-minio]

I was thinking of the insurance rating of the vehicles before they’re launched

How?

There will always be crime of course, but generally the attention should go into crime prevention first. It is getting a bit out of hand in part of the country at the moment.
I will always remember when the first spike of theft started in London, and that miserable twat that we have as a Mayor (still) had the gall to blame the bike manufacturers for making bikes "too easy to steal" and passed the problem onto them.
The then top manager at BMW Motorrad Europe responded with a very carefully worded statement telling Mr. Khan to (rightly so) fuck off, and then fuck off some more. But in nicer terms

Then manufacturers can do their part. But not as you envisage.

 

[DING-DONG]

Yes it’s from Mark, he offers discount for the forum and he Powder-Coates the whole stand.

 

[Wapping]

My route for the impossible push away solution is..

Locking Centre stand and they would not get a grinder in to attack the lock.

Me, if I were a determined enough thief (the sort who cuts front discs) would very simply just cut your centre stand’s legs.

 

[DING-DONG]

Me, if I were a determined enough thief (the sort who cuts front discs) would very simply just cut your centre stand’s legs.

You still can’t push it away.

 

[Wapping]

You still can’t push it away.

Why not?

 

[er-minio]

Why not?

It doesn't have a leg to stand on.


I'll see my way out...