Street bob here we come

Best listen to this guy, I mean..what the fuck would I know about performance Harleys...?

I'm not dissing V&H on the performance side and many, many people seem to like their products. I just don't like them myself. You see too many bikes with V&H pipes - especially the fucking atrocious Short Shots and they always sound tinny to me. I've seen problems with build quality as well - cracking brackets, corrosion etc.... not to say that you don't get the same issues with other makes.

But there are plenty of good options that aren't V&H. D&D, Bassani, TBR and many others and if you want to get a bit more exotic then RBR and Fab 28 spring to mind. All make pukka 2:1 systems that are something a bit different to just bolting on a V&H like everyone else.
 
As a newbie to the wonderful world of Harley, may I ask what is the advantage of a 2:1 system?

Is it purely cosmetic or is their a performance bonus too?
 
If you like the look of them..and the sound...knock yerself out.......:spl1f:

I've always loved the look of the short shots, however based on my last Harley where I spent lots of time trying to get it acceptably quiet, I'd likely not buy any, unless the optional very quiet baffles were particularly effective
 
"Better" low and mid range power is the most common answer. Better scavenging of the cylinders resulting in a cleaner charge and better burn - and therefore more power. It's basically using "free" exhaust energy from one cylinder to help scavenge the other one.

A 2:2 system such as the aforementioned "Short Shots" or "Drag Pipes" will theoretically give you a better top end at full revs, but will typically have a softer bottom end with a narrow power band and who really rides their bike at full revs all the time apart from real drag racers?

In many ways though you can't just look at the exhaust alone as it needs to be coupled with the right air filter, camshaft and ECM program to get the best results.

Exhaust tuning is really a very complex subject in itself. But one way to look at it is if you look at more or less any kind of "normal" racing exhaust, be it bike, car or whatever they all use a "merged collector" arrangement - i.e. X:Y (and then potentially into Z). These engines all need to be able to produce good power across a fairly wide RPM range. In fact, pretty much any modern car or bike exhaust system uses a merged collector design these days.

If you look at a drag race engine, they typically use individual short pipes per cylinder (X:X) but then they are made to run 100% flat out all the time.

This is a pretty good and irreverent explanation of the physics: https://rbracing-rsr.com/exhausttech.htm

By the way, these guys make AWESOME pipes. I have one of their pro-stock LSR systems on my Shovelhead and it's a fantastic piece of work. However - I wouldn't recommend buying a pipe from them unless you are prepared to wait a bit and willing to deal with some of their quirks regarding ordering and customer service. If that's OK with you, then go for it!
 
Never, ever, ever, ever put a 2:1 on a touring model - it is the law

Dyna and Sportster only.
 
Why...





Cos they look shit on the touring models - you need the dual silencer “balance”
 
Why...





Cos they look shit on the touring models - you need the dual silencer “balance”

Can’t argue with that....

True Duals on the 111 RK and Jekyll&Hydes on the 103.....they look right too. Although I did have a brief flirtation with a pair of fishtails/rockets....:D
 

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Cos they look shit on the touring models - you need the dual silencer “balance”

Depends on whether the bags are stretched with the cutaways at the back or not. If they are, then yes, it looks totally shit with a 2:1 pipe.

Which is sadly the case with the 114 Road Glide Special I am currently contemplating buying.
 
Can’t argue with that....

True Duals on the 111 RK and Jekyll&Hydes on the 103.....they look right too. Although I did have a brief flirtation with a pair of fishtails/rockets....:D

True duals seem to get a bad rap from a power perspective, but sound soooo much nicer.

Harleys aren’t about performance, they are about the sound and looks....so true duals are a winner in my book :okay
 
True duals seem to get a bad rap from a power perspective, but sound soooo much nicer.

Harleys aren’t about performance, they are about the sound and looks....so true duals are a winner in my book :okay

Well...they worked fine, set up properly on my 111.... and you’re constant droning on about what “Harleys are about” is getting a bit tedious.
 
Well...they worked fine, set up properly on my 111.... and you’re constant droning on about what “Harleys are about” is getting a bit tedious.

I really don’t give a feck if that helps :thumb
 
Well I got a chance of another brief ride but this time with keys and petrol in the daylight. Firstly I must say how well it goes , it can defiantly get a wiggle on. god knows how much quicker the newer or tuned ones are .very highly geared too so 70 seams like its just ticking over. need to sort out the going round corner bit I know its early days but It seams I need better rear shocks a decent seat and time on it to get used to it. but on bumpy roads I was getting thrown around a fair bit. I like the belt drive too.
 
Well I got a chance of another brief ride but this time with keys and petrol in the daylight. Firstly I must say how well it goes , it can defiantly get a wiggle on. god knows how much quicker the newer or tuned ones are .very highly geared too so 70 seams like its just ticking over. need to sort out the going round corner bit I know its early days but It seams I need better rear shocks a decent seat and time on it to get used to it. but on bumpy roads I was getting thrown around a fair bit. I like the belt drive too.
You're half way to a conversion in both senses :thumb
 
well I went to mildenhall to meet a guy off the base selling a few bits. got myself a seat and padded sissy bar. not fitted yet as I need to get the quick release kit. looks pretty good though and feels more comfortable for sure.
 


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