Suspension setup for a fat bastard!

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Hey,

Any ideas on what to set the front and rear suspension at for a 300lb rider (yeah I know !)

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Bigh
 
i found this too i think you could treat the advice given to front forks to apply to the front shock settings..i hope

Forks: Adjustment Locations
=Rebound adjustment (If applicable) is located near the top of the fork.
=Compression adjustment (if applicable) is located near the bottom of the fork.

=Spring preload adjustment (if applicable) is generally hex style and located at the top of the fork.



Forks: Lack of Rebound
Symptoms:
-Forks are plush. but increasing speed causes loss of control and traction.
-The motorcycle wallows exiting the turn causing fading traction and loss of control.

-When taking a corner a speed, you experience front-end chatter and loss of traction and control.

-Aggressive input at speed lessons control and chassis attitude suffers.

-Front end fails to recover after aggressive input over bumpy surfaces.



Solution:
* Insufficient rebound. Increase rebound "gradually" until control and traction are optimized
and chatter is gone.



Forks: Too Much Rebound
Symptoms:
-Front end feels locked up resulting in harsh ride.
-Suspension packs in and fails to return, giving a harsh ride.

Typically after the first bump, the bike will skip over subsequent bumps.

-With acceleration, the front end will tank slap or shake violently due to

lack of front wheel tire contact.



Solution:
* Too much rebound. Decrease rebound "gradually" until control and traction
are optimized.



Forks: Lack of Compression
Symptoms:
-Front end dives severely, sometimes bottoming out over heavy bumps or during
aggressive breaking.

-Front feels soft or vague similar to lack of rebound.

-When bottoming, a clunk is heard. This is due to reaching the bottom of fork

travel.



Solution:
* Insufficient compression. Increase "gradually" until control and traction are
optimized.



Forks: Too Much Compression
Symptoms:
1/-Front end rides high through the comers, causing the bike to steer wide.
It should ride in the middle of suspension travel.

Solution:
* Too much compression. Decrease compression "gradually" until bike neither
bottoms or rides high.



2/-Front end chatters or shakes entering turns. This is due to incorrect oil height

and/or too much low speed compression damping

Solution:
* First, verify that oil height is correct. If correct, then decrease compression
"gradually' until chaffering and shaking ceases.



3/-Bumps and ripples are felt directly in the triple clamps and through the chassis

This causes the front wheel to bounce over bumps.

Solution:
* Decrease compression "gradually" until control is regained.


4/- Ride is generally hard, and gets even harder when braking or entering turns.

Solution:
*Decrease compression 'gradually' until control is regained.


Shock : Adjustment Locations
-Rebound adjustment (if applicable) is located at the bottom of the
shock.

-Compression adjustment (if applicable) is located on the reservoir.

-Spring Preload located at the top of the shock.





Shock: Lack of Rebound
Symptoms:
-The ride will feel soft or vague and as speed increases, the rear end
will want to wallow and/or weave over bumpy surfaces and traction suffers.

-Loss of traction will cause rear end to pogo or chatter due to shock returning

too fast on exiting a corner.

Solution:
* Insufficient rebound: Increase rebound until wallowing and weavin disappears and
control and traction are optimized.



Shock: Too Much Rebound
Symptoms:
-Ride is harsh, suspension control is limited and traction is lost.
-Rear end will pack in, forcing the bike wide in comers, due to rear squat.

It will slow steering because front end is tiding high. When rear end packs in,

tires generally will overheat and will skip over bumps.

-When chopping throttle, rear end will tend to skip or hop on entries

Solution:
* Too much rebound. Decrease rebound "gradually" until harsh ride is gone and
traction is regained. Decrease rebound to keep rear end packing.



Shock: Lack of Compression
Symptoms:
-The bike will not turn in entering a turn.
-With bottoming, control and traction are lost.

-With excessive rear end squat, when accelerating out of corners,bike

will tend to steer wide.

Solution:
* Insuficient compression. Increase compression "gradually" until
traction and control is optimized and/or excessive rear end squat is gone.



Shock. Too Much Compression
Symptoms:
-Ride is harsh. but not as bad as too much rebound. As speed increases, so does harshness.
-There is very little rear end squat. This will cause loss of traction/sliding.Tire will

overheat.

-Rear end will want to kick when going over medium to large bumps.



Solution:
* Too much compression.Decrease compression until harshness is gone.
decrease compression until sliding stops and traction is regained.



Stock Tuning Limitations:
New motorcycles purchased from the dealership are generally set-up on the soft side,
for a rider in the weight range of 140-165 lbs. If you are not in this range, you

must retune the suspension for your weight within the internals of forks and shocks,

the manufacturer puts valve with small venturis. This, along with shims, creates a

damping curve. This works okay at slower speeds, but at higher speeds, when the

suspension must react more quickly, the method cannot low enough oil and you experience

hydraulic lock. With hydraulic lock, there is no damping. The fork and/or shock cannot

dampen correctly and handling suffers. The solution is to revalve the active components

for the proper damping curve. It does not matter what components you have, (Ohlins, Fox,

KYB, Showa). If you can achieve the damping curve that is needed, it does not matter what

brand name is on the component. Sometimes with stock components, when you turn the

adjusters full in or out, you do not notice a difference. This is due to the fact that

the manufacturer has put the damping curve in an area outside of your ideal range. After

revalving, the adjuster will be brought into play, and when you make an adjustment, you

will be able to notice that they effect the way the fork or shock perform.



One of the problems with stock springs is, in most cases, it is of a progressive rate.

This is to say, a spring at sag may be .85 kg per mm, and at 2.5 inches of travel, it may

be 1.05 kg per mm, getting progressively stiffer. The ideal solution is to install a sprig

with a straight rate, specific for your weight, and the weight of your motorcycle. In some

cases, the factory installs a straight rate spring, but often the incorrect rate for your

weight.

Remember to always make small adjustments, and keep notes. Sometimes more is not better and be patient. Suspension is an art/science.
Dave W. Hodges

Circuit One Suspension
 


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