Swing arm play

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Hi all,
I have just come in from changing final drive oil on my 1300 gs and while I was at it, I grabbed hold of the swing arm close to the final drive and pulled and pushed it to see if all was ok…….just general check over type of stuff.
On doing this however, I managed to rock the whole swing arm unit back and forth about 2-3 mm with a good clunk!
It seems more like end float as opposed to worn bearing play……..but bloody hell! Is this normal?
I had no such issues on my old 1200 gsa……..has anyone else tried this test to see if it’s normal for a 1300, I can actually look down inside the frame where the pivot is and see it actually moving.
I am unsure if it’s how BMW intended, or is there a recall on the horizon? It moves so much it possibly wouldn’t even pass an MOT!
Any one have any similar issues?

Thanks all
 
there is a known issue with alignment / movement of the swinging arm - don't blame me its either the translation went ? or its just snowflakes doing their bit - March 2024 TSB

Situation

In some R 1300 GS motorcycles, it has been detected that the rear wheel swingarm has play in the axial direction.
The mounting of the swingarm to the frame is comparable to the F and S model motorcycles.
During the mounting of the swingarm axle, this creates different tensions from motorcycle to motorcycle pulling the frame together. Resulting in little to no axial play allowing axial movement on the swingarm axle.

Resolution Procedure

None.

Both the axial play if any is possible.
The differences in the axial play were tested and found to have no influence to driving dynamics.
 
there is a known issue with alignment / movement of the swinging arm - don't blame me its either the translation went ? or its just snowflakes doing their bit - March 2024 TSB

Situation

In some R 1300 GS motorcycles, it has been detected that the rear wheel swingarm has play in the axial direction.
The mounting of the swingarm to the frame is comparable to the F and S model motorcycles.
During the mounting of the swingarm axle, this creates different tensions from motorcycle to motorcycle pulling the frame together. Resulting in little to no axial play allowing axial movement on the swingarm axle.

Resolution Procedure

None.

Both the axial play if any is possible.
The differences in the axial play were tested and found to have no influence to driving dynamics.
Thank you very much for your reply,

I have just spoken with my main dealer who are always really good and helpful, they read me the same document! There is also a video that clearly shows the back and forth knocking that mine is showing.

If it’s “ normal” I will just get on and keep riding it.

Thanks again
 
I would seek a resolution - it will likely become an MOT failure - there is not meant to be slop on such parts of the suspension

the whole idea of what flex and movement we want from a swinging arm, is a real black science very few chassis engineers understand - in the motoGP world once upon a time Honda managed things (possibly through luck) quite well, then lost the plot - and now they all fall off and have won nothing for ages...

when leant over a bike's suspension doesn't really do much, and its chassis / suspension flex that makes some bike's handle well and cope with lots of conditions way better then others (think Norton featherbed and such).

as power went silly, massive rigidity in some areas of the swinging arm became vital to stop the bike doing weird stuff - whilst mega flex and compliance in others planes makes it handle.... When Honda first used the back of the engine to hang the swinging arm pivot on (check early fireblades), they got lucky with a skinny weird design that just worked - a stark contrast to many other manufactures, but it worked and they applied to lots of stuff and they had great bikes - but now have no idea what they are doing, so it must be they never understood it ???

It was a similar thing with Stoner and Ducati (and again why Rossi couldn't ride one), the V of the engine meant they naturally rolled on to the idea of almost zero frame – just mount everything on the engine to save weight and complexity - but this meant there was no chassis flex - engineers had no idea. And year on year they made stronger stiffer forks added more and more rigidity and the lap times dropped and the riders just threw them down the road like clockwork - in many ways this lack of understanding is the sole reason they developed save the day electronics – which in turn has led to the hideous tyre construction the gamer halfwits now use with glee - and so we now get vague whishy washy steering and strange sensations old school riders can cope with... But on Public roads we aren’t all Spanish brain dead lemmings operating an on off switch just because that’s what the 50 year old regs mandate.

Stoner won the championship, even though the bike was basically unrideable - mainly because at the time Ferrari and Ducati were working together on crazy F1 engine tech and had produced an utter missile, bolted into a death machine - with all that power, using his talent (he was still on the bike going into and out of the corners, when no other Ducati rider was) it allowed his sheer bravery to get it to the front down the straights and Win...

He walked when Ducati wouldn’t listen and they just wanted to throw tech at the problem – Stoner knew it would destroy what racing was meant to be and allow brave fools to get to the front and Hello Mr Marquez !!!

After more seasons of disastrous result and even with Rossi unable to stay on the bike – they had to scrap everything and try a new chassis design and the rest is history – you can now only win on a Ducati - mostly thanks to the changes Stoner and Rossie were screaming for over many years - added to mega electronics the enginneers wanted to save face and super glue understeering tyres for gamers

Back to the BMW R1300 fun - So the slop somehow doesn’t argue with other ideas BMW seem to know about chassis tech. But it doesn’t mean it meets the rules on what mechanical integrity is required for use on British Roads. AKA Homologation should have picked it up (but of course thats operated by not done by idiots), and then the MOT test should certainly present problems...

The fact some do, some don’t, would suggest a level of hands on building in the factory that should be frowned on. I would hazard a guess either the engine’s come with rough and ready machining on the width of the engine mounts or is the frame squidged tighter to meet other parts that are too small and depending upon which Muppet over did the tightening torque on which bolts at what time – it means we get variable slop bike's out there…

It could be as much as a batch of frames or engines were machined too much and it wasn’t picked up due to apathetic quality control – remember the people building these are idiot rent a crowd assemblers (sure on massive pay and benefits), but they are not skilled engineers thinking about what’s going on. And when discovered the BMW accountants have looked at the costs and said fxxk it who cares
 
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There was the rear damping issue on some of the early bikes, but this is a strange condition for sure - it would be interesting to put the bike in front of a non-franchise MOT tester.

If there is a safety issue, doubtless our US cousins will be on it.

When the swing arm pivots on the rear of the engine casting, I'm wondering if any slight axial movement diminishes once the bike gets properly hot.
 
Hi all,
I have just come in from changing final drive oil on my 1300 gs and while I was at it, I grabbed hold of the swing arm close to the final drive and pulled and pushed it to see if all was ok…….just general check over type of stuff.
On doing this however, I managed to rock the whole swing arm unit back and forth about 2-3 mm with a good clunk!
It seems more like end float as opposed to worn bearing play……..but bloody hell! Is this normal?
I had no such issues on my old 1200 gsa……..has anyone else tried this test to see if it’s normal for a 1300, I can actually look down inside the frame where the pivot is and see it actually moving.
I am unsure if it’s how BMW intended, or is there a recall on the horizon? It moves so much it possibly wouldn’t even pass an MOT!
Any one have any similar issues?

Thanks all
Any chance you can post a short video can we can see the movement?
 


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