Here we go again 
. more remaining and brexit winder uppers.
. more remaining and brexit winder uppers.
Taking someone else’s bikes in your van to Europe
- Thread starter Berin
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Here we go again
You're so right there Steve.
It's bound to arise when there's another hurdle or expense thrown in to what was so easy previously.
Which is what this thread is about - more post brexit inconvenience and expense.
Some people always resort to insults when asked questions they struggle with understanding.
Unnecessary - but in keeping with this particular chap's previous posts.
brexit will never, ever be done.
roamer
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Recovery back to the uk after a breakdown may be interesting,
Please note, this article has not been reviewed by UKGSer’s own legal eagles, nor by their mates’ mates. Similarly, the “They can fuck right off / Its not wot we voted 4 / I’m going to Scotland / It says I need a carpet, but I’ve already got a carpet, why do I need another?” brigade have not had their say yet.
It’s also not what the carnet providers say, hence the confusion, hence why I was asking if anyone’s actually done it.
It wasn’t really a cue for more whining about Brexit (ps we left, so whining no longer helps) but a request for information.
I would have done it but in case anyone’s not noticed travel is next to impossible, not because of Brexit.
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But we don’t know that, I don’t think, it’s just an assumption that’s been made.
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So, what do the carnet providers say?
As to whether anyone has done it, your closing sentence maybe answers that.
As to whether anyone has done it, your closing sentence maybe answers that.
Some people always resort to insults when asked questions they struggle with understanding.
Seems you are correct for once
The chaps the provide the CDP (called CARS) said CDP is no use as CDP isn’t used in Europe.
The chaps In Birmingham that provide ATA carnets and do the ACU carnets for race bikes said that ATA carnets don’t apply to road registered vehicles, as they are road registered vehicles and not freight. That was last year though, when we were still hoping to get away to Portugal via Spain on Brittany Ferries, their advice then was take all the V5’s plus a letter of authority from the owners.
We never got to test that though due to Covid.
Used CARS before and found them to be helpful and efficient.
If they can’t help seems we are in a cleft stick at the moment - bummer really.
If they can’t help seems we are in a cleft stick at the moment - bummer really.
Which is, in part at least, what the article sort of says. In short, it seems - at the moment at least - a lottery and a muddle. Yes, you’ll get bods that steam through (just as you get bods that pass through the UK border with no Covid checks and swerve import duty) and tell you that the carnet is a rip-off that you don’t need. At the other end, you’ll perhaps get bods that are turned around and sent back; seemingly at the whim of a customs official or maybe simply because the bods got arsey with the man in a uniform or for some other unconnected reason. In between, you’ll get everyone else. I doubt if there has been sufficient cross-Channel travel of non-racing motorbikes / cars in vans or on trailers since 01 January 2021, to draw any conclusions. The Green Card thing was only sorted out last week, so I doubt that clarity over motorbikes in vans is top of the bureaucrats’ to do list. Or maybe clarity and certainty is about to be announced?
Me, taking my motorcycle on a trailer behind my motorhome or car? I’d simply take my V5 and insurance documents, which I’ll need to have with me anyway. In short, I’d run the possible risk. There again, that is just me and I’m not responsible for four or five other blokes’ holiday and motorbikes.
…. And yes, all this confusion and possible buggering about, is a direct consequence of Brexit. There is no denying that at all; it is something that now affects us in the UK, which didn’t before, whilst it’s not something that affects bods who live and travel about within the EU *. Will it be sorted out, just as the Green Cards have been? I guess so. When or how? Who knows and - more importantly - who really cares? Why did I say that? Because bods towing or shoving non-race / non-trade vehicles in vans make up a tiny small proportion of cross-Channel tourist traffic; they really are not a priority for anyone.
* Logically, it will affect EU residents seeking to trailer / carry bikes and vehicles into the UK in exactly the same way. But who cares about them?
Easy way to deal with it. Ride the bloody thing there. It never fails to amaze me how minor issues can be blown out of all proportion on here.
One can only assume that the OP and his chums in the van, don’t want to or have better things to do with their time, as they perceive it? Freedom of choice, much applauded on this site. Some chose to ride everywhere and anywhere. Some chose to avoid motorways, with a dedication that borders on pathological. Some chose to lob their bikes in a van, pooling the fuel bill and (possibly / probably) saving time and effort.
Excellent plan, wish we’d thought of it. Problem solved!
If you could just, from your lofty eyrie, advise how 2 people can ride 6 enduro bikes from the UK to mid Portugal, I’ll just let the others know and we’ll be off!
An intellectual and logistical challenge, worthy of a thread on its own….
So less than 37% of the voting public wanted to remain
Indeed, not many at all, because they knew deep down it was the right decision to leave
Might it be at post no 3 of this very thread perchance ?
Berin, We've not done this since leaving the customs union but I believe that we are where were before a customs union, as such if you're transporting someone else's goods of significant value a carnet will offer you the smoothest customs entry/exit transition. It's not guaranteed though as they can still empty your van and check everything off, it will however negate the need for potential duty, vat and associated fees upon entering. I can't recall what would happen if you didn't use a carnet as we always did but that memory is muddied by it mostly being someone else driving someone else's van/trailer and kit.
The following quote is from here, https://www.motorsportuk.org/the-sport/brexit-transition/ata-carnet-to-europe-faqs/
Q – If someone else, a friend or commercial driver, were to trailer my road-registered and road legal car to the EU, would they need a carnet?
A – If the driver has the proof of ownership and accompanying approvals, even if in the name of another individual / company, then they will require an ATA Carnet.
The following quote is from here, https://www.motorsportuk.org/the-sport/brexit-transition/ata-carnet-to-europe-faqs/
Q – If someone else, a friend or commercial driver, were to trailer my road-registered and road legal car to the EU, would they need a carnet?
A – If the driver has the proof of ownership and accompanying approvals, even if in the name of another individual / company, then they will require an ATA Carnet.
YOU DONT. 6 people ride there own bloody bikes there.
