Tempted to trade - whats a realistic private value of a 2012 GSA Triple Black

Davey B said:
:bow £1300 loss in 3 years ? How ? Seriously. Was it on a PCP or bought outright. My 63 plate TB GSA was c£14k new. I'd be lucky to get £9500 for it, oh how I'd love to get £12,700
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I bought it well and I sold it well :-)

It was not on a PCP deal, I really don't understand how they can be good value.

A drop of £4.5k in 2 1/2 years seems sad and I do feel PCPs have much to answer for as they are trashing residuals.
 
Mad_Accountant said:
I bought it well and I sold it well :-)

It was not on a PCP deal, I really don't understand how they can be good value.

A drop of £4.5k in 2 1/2 years seems sad and I do feel PCPs have much to answer for as they are trashing residuals.
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You've still got me at a loss at how you could manage to only lose £1300. I cant think of a BM dealer anywhere who would sell a new GSA for several grand less than list...and then manage to sell it for way above book and give you most of the cash. Heyho, if you did, hats off to you.
 
I don't want to detail my selling arrangement, that would not be fair to the dealer but I bought the bike in 2013, two months old prereg. with zero miles, and including the £2,000 free accessories. At that time I paid £12,800 and was pretty sure I'd get most of that back if I didn't hold the bike for too long. It helped that it was the last of the Hexhead models, that it was the highly saleable Triple Black and I kept it mint and low mileage. My target market was a buyer who (like me) disliked the LC engine and therefore wanted the best example of the old model he could find. I stated earlier that I'm no fan of PCP and they are the reason I won't put serious money into a new BMW anymore, I just no longer have any faith in the residuals.
 
This is meant as a serious question rather than a very obvious hand grenade - what are the differences between the 2012 and 2017 models that justify £1000s of spend?

Paul g
 
The Other PaulG said:
This is meant as a serious question rather than a very obvious hand grenade - what are the differences between the 2012 and 2017 models that justify £1000s of spend?

Paul g
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Google and YouTube will give you the answers you are looking for.
 
Mad_Accountant said:
I don't want to detail my selling arrangement, that would not be fair to the dealer but I bought the bike in 2013, two months old prereg. with zero miles, and including the £2,000 free accessories. At that time I paid £12,800 and was pretty sure I'd get most of that back if I didn't hold the bike for too long. It helped that it was the last of the Hexhead models, that it was the highly saleable Triple Black and I kept it mint and low mileage. My target market was a buyer who (like me) disliked the LC engine and therefore wanted the best example of the old model he could find. I stated earlier that I'm no fan of PCP and they are the reason I won't put serious money into a new BMW anymore, I just no longer have any faith in the residuals.
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GS residuals are now myth

PCP has trashed them

Only GS doing well are Airheads
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
GS residuals are now myth

PCP has trashed them

Only GS doing well are Airheads
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Yup, agreed pretty much. I suppose it's down to whether you gauge 'loss' against miles ridden/length of time owned etc or as a percentage as seems to occur with cars.
 
The Other PaulG said:
This is meant as a serious question rather than a very obvious hand grenade - what are the differences between the 2012 and 2017 models that justify £1000s of spend?

Paul g
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Main changes:

More power
water and oil cooled rather than air and oil cooled
smoother engine and gearbox
enhanced ESA I believe
new engine modes tied to abs, ESA and traction control
lighter clutch
more fuel efficient (apparently)
cruise control
keyless
gearshift assist
BMW gps can show lots of engine information with remote controller
single handed screen adjustment

Don't get me wrong, these changes don't "justify" the spend and you can't overlook the "new and shiny" aspect of a prospective purchase either.
 
Thanks Steve.

Those changes are more significant than the model names suggest.

I'm a bit out of touch with the later models...:rob

Cheers!

P
 
To my mind the biggest gain would be less vibration and smoother transmission. But, the benefit of upgrading my bike just isn't enough to justify the costs. It's now done 60K and very likely to get to 120K in my care.

I like the LC GS styling but the LC Adventure just looks styled ugly.
 
Why on earth would anyone buy a bike on the basis of a residual value?

A pal of mine has a really nice sportsbike and hardly rides it because he's worried about the value even though he's unlikely to sell it anytime soon and yes, I do tell he's a fucking idiot.

Buy it and ride it.
 
Sgt Bilco said:
Why on earth would anyone buy a bike on the basis of a residual value?

A pal of mine has a really nice sportsbike and hardly rides it because he's worried about the value even though he's unlikely to sell it anytime soon and yes, I do tell he's a fucking idiot.

Buy it and ride it.
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amen.
 
My Yamaha Divvie 900 showing 32K cost me £1300 in 2007. I sold it for £1000 in 2011 showing 75K.

It had a blue spots brake upgrade, a better luggage rack and few farkles. I seriously thought about fixing the few issues and keeping it. But the easy dive forks and horribe windscreen were annoying me too much to keep it any longer. It was time for a change.
 
Wreford Miles said:
Oh do keep up...


They've put the shaft drive on the other side
The exhaust sticks out the bottom and not the front
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They've also dumped a perfectly good dry clutch that could easily do >100,000 miles and replaced it with a wet monstrosity that drags and causes bloody awful gear changes that they've tried to improve by bolting on a "quick-shifter". Progress?

If they'd developed the new engine and bolted it onto the dry clutch tranny I'd probably be riding one now. Instead a test drive sent me rapidly to an alternative manufacturer after I'd cut the engine so that I could select neutral, something that couldn't be done on the demo bike with the engine running. It would simply clunk from 1st to 2nd and back to 1st.
 
Packer said:
They've also dumped a perfectly good dry clutch that could easily do >100,000 miles and replaced it with a wet monstrosity that drags and causes bloody awful gear changes that they've tried to improve by bolting on a "quick-shifter". Progress?

If they'd developed the new engine and bolted it onto the dry clutch tranny I'd probably be riding one now. Instead a test drive sent me rapidly to an alternative manufacturer after I'd cut the engine so that I could select neutral, something that couldn't be done on the demo bike with the engine running. It would simply clunk from 1st to 2nd and back to 1st.
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Aye no progress really
 
Delboy777 said:
Smooth gearbox ??:jes:jes:jes:jes:jes:jes:jes:jes:jes
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you beat me to it!!! I think the closest things to a smooth gearbox I've ever owned on the BMW bike front were K's....a K1200LT and a K1200GT-and even then you still had the dreaded Neutral to first "CLUNK" which scare small children at a distance of 200m...
 
My Airhead is smooth, you just have to think ahead, consider if you really need to change a gear and if you do take your time a lot of time, feel and modulate your effort through the whole process
 
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