Test Day - twin cam GS, GSA and a K1300R

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Booked some test rides at Allan Jefferies last Friday, thought I would investigate what the new twin cam engine was like so booked rides on twin cam GS Adventure, twin cam GS and just for the hell of it a K1300R as a "power trip"

The weather last Friday could have been better for it as we got a couple of good soakings on the way down, Dan, my son-in law and myself travelled down to Jefferies from just outside of Darlington, about a 55 mile trip.
For the morning ride, I was on the GS and Dan took the ADV, I'd worked a route out going out through Otley, Dacre, Pateley Bridge, Grassington, Rylstone, and back through Ilkley, about an 80 mile circuit.:thumb2

First impressions of the GS were very good, the new twin cam engine certainly sounds the part, quite "Rorty" when the power valve opens and it did seem to have quite a torque advantage over the normal 1200 engine, once we got out past Otley heading towards Dacre on the B6451, I could give the GS a bit more gas and the bike absolutely flew :D, very impressed with the power delivery of the twin cam, seeming to have ample amounts of grunt right where you need it.

Handling wise it was pretty much on the ball as well, you could feel the difference scrolling through the ESA settings on the suspension and I finally settled on the "NORM" setting which gave just enough compliance to soak up the bumps and yet still deliver pretty controlled cornering.

We stopped briefly on the road past pateley Bridge to swap bikes for a few miles and I now had the Adventure, compared to the standard GS its weight was quite apparant in that you couldn't flick it around in corners quite as easily and it seemed to "blunt" the engines performance, in fact when I got off it I checked to make sure it was fitted with the twin cam engine and not the standard 1200,.. nope T/C it was, but to be honest I found it ponderous in comparison to the standard T/C GS.

After lunch I took out the K1300R and Dan was now on the std T/C GS, the K1300R looks a long low beast of a bike, so we set off back around the same route, all the press blurb rates this bike as the fastest naked bike there is at the moment and it looked very promising on the way out through the built up areas around Otley, once clear of them you could give the bike its head and I was surprised that it wasn't more powerful below 7k revs and that Dan on the std t/c GS was staying with it comfortably, only on some clear stretches of road could you get it past 7k and it seemed like then the "afterburners" kicked in :eek: and I could pull a gap on the GS, the big K1300 engine seemed to explode with power after 7k revs, but to be honest, the power delivery wasn't the easiest thing to control almost feeling like it was stacked too high in the rev range.
Coming up to a series of bends and the GS had bridged the gap and was back with me again, the extra power of the K1300 was no advantage here.
Once again we swapped bikes, with the same result, it seemed that unless you could get a decent stretch of road to use the peak power of the K1300, the GS was more than a match for it, we both agreed that we had each been faster on the GS, over the same stretch of road, the extra head height and visibility the GS gave meant you could leave your breaking into corners later, you could see around them better to plan where to apex and get back on the power.
The power delivery of the GS seemed a lot better suited to this real world type of riding as well, as soon as you nailed the throttle you got a nice satisfying gob of torque to shove you down the road, just the ticket !!

Back at Jefferies we summed up the back to back testing, Dan had been most keen on the Adventure before we actually tested them, but at the end of the day we both agreed that the favorite bike of the day had been the t/c GS, it seemed measurably faster than the ADV and more than capable of living with a K1300R and indeed on that stretch of road we both thought we could travel faster on the GS.
The only very slight critiscism I could level at the GS is that at a constant speed on a dual carriageway past Ilkley with the power valve of the exhaust open I though it was just a touch too loud for my liking, I could imagine if you had a bit of inevitable motorway slog to do, the drone may get on your nerves a bit, but it was no biggie.

This is only my 2p's worth of the bikes we tried that day, I'm sure other people will have vastly varying opinions on each bike :hide

Big thanks to Jefferies for the use of the test rides, it was very, very enlightening trying all the bikes back to back in such a short space of time and we were slightly surprised that we both picked the GS as our favorite bike of the day, the only question now is...how are my shares doing???
 
Interesting test. I recently changed 07 GS to new one,but pondered for quite a time before taking the plunge as I didnt like "that noise following me" on the test ride. Now I have done a few miles I dont notice the noise at all and the engine is a definate improvement over the older one.It is so much better at bimbling along gently through the lanes and has more instant get up and go when needed. Maybe its my imagination but I also think the (standard) suspension is more controlled as well, but thats maybe because at nearly 25k miles including lots of 2 up touring over crappy roads my old one was getting a bit tired in that department.
 
I got up behind a new 10 plate GS on my 09 ADV on Saturday going through the Dales and had a bit of a dice

It was apparent to me that the new bike in standard form definately has more low down grunt as he consistently was pulling a gap when we got on the throttle, the test was somewhat inaccurate though as I had my missus on the back at the time! :blast
 
Well, the twin cam must be a massive improvement on the single cam as those roads are regulars of mine and there's no way my 2009 GS could keep up with my old K1200S without absolutely thrashing the t*ts off it - there again 7k on a GS is thrashing it, whereas on a K you're simply short shifting. Add a pillion and the difference is much more pronounced. The Duolever front suspension also means the handling is better at high speed too.

The K could be left in, say 5th, and very safely overtake several cars in one leap - on the GS I have to go down three gears, rev it to the red line and still struggle to get past at times. The huge torque and sensible gearing of the K makes most bikes seem pretty feeble though ;)
 
I too did back to back test rides on the 2010 GS & GSA, and my findings mirror yours. The GSA was MUCH more top heavy than the regular GS, which was particularly noticeable when trying to get the monster off its side stand. Not surprisingly, the extra weight on top didn't exactly help in cornering and acceleration. I'm told the GSA has a shorter first gear, but that wasn't apparent, probably due to its additional weight. The GSA's front end felt rubbery when executing sharp turns, possibly this was due to fork flex resulting from longer forks and more inertia generated by its larger diameter front wheel. :confused: Whatever the reason, the regular GS wins hands down in handling and quickness. The only thing I liked better about the GSA was the wind protection afforded by its larger screen. The one on the GS is marginal, and produces much more wind noise and buffeting - definitely not ideal for long hours at motorway speeds. Fortunately its a problem that can be easily cured. Both the GS and GSA come with crap stock seats unsuitable for long jaunts, but that too can be fixed if you're willing to spend the money. Compared to the '09 GS, which I tested the previous week, the new DOHC motor makes a very noticeable difference - much more than dyno printouts lead us to believe. According to the dynamometer, the DOHC engine only makes 5 hp more on top, and actually loses 3 hp to the '09 motor on the bottom, but my impression was that the new motor pulled much harder throughout the entire rev range without any noticeable holes in the power curve. The difference was significant enough in my view to spend the money on the 2010 model that could be saved by buying discounted leftover '09 models. As always, YMMV.
 
Just read your road test comparison at Jefferies and could not agree more. I tested both the GSA and GS back to back last Saturday and I actually thought there was something wrong with the GSA it felt that sluggish. The GS is much livelier and not nearly as cumbersome at slower speeds. I had actually gone in wanting to buy a GSA but have ended up ordering a 30th anniversary GS on the strength of the test ride - should be picking up 1st or 2nd week in September - can't wait.
 
Sounds to me like ya needed to tape up the rev counter on the K1300R :augie

Best regards Stretch :)

Don't get me wrong stretch, the K13 got a good workout through the rev range, its just that the B6451 is a road that plays more to the GS's strength's and abilities, its extra height and vision :eek: on that road is more use than an extra 60 horses.

Given a decent stretch of A road etc obviously the GS would be no match for the K13r, but I tend to favour the more interesting twistier routes :roll

Cheers,

Poucher
 
Don't get me wrong stretch, the K13 got a good workout through the rev range, its just that the B6451 is a road that plays more to the GS's strength's and abilities, its extra height and vision :eek: on that road is more use than an extra 60 horses.

Given a decent stretch of A road etc obviously the GS would be no match for the K13r, but I tend to favour the more interesting twistier routes :roll

Cheers,

Poucher

:thumb2

Cheers Poucher

Stretch :)
 
I was thinking of chopping in my 1150 for a new twin cam GSA. I had come up with some fantastic ways of justifying the expense. Had a long test ride thanks to Bahnstormers near Alton....I loved the TC motor but couldn't beleive the shove on the bars needed to get the thing around the corners compared to my GS 1150....despite the engine I would fancy myself against a GSA. Also after an hour my arse was in agony.....who does design the seats for BMW?

My overall impression on my ride home was I couldn't believe how well sorted my 1150 is against a bike with electric everything....I will be keeping the old girl and saving £10K into the bargain...result :bounce1
 
I was thinking of chopping in my 1150 for a new twin cam GSA. I had come up with some fantastic ways of justifying the expense. Had a long test ride thanks to Bahnstormers near Alton....I loved the TC motor but couldn't beleive the shove on the bars needed to get the thing around the corners compared to my GS 1150....despite the engine I would fancy myself against a GSA. Also after an hour my arse was in agony.....who does design the seats for BMW?

My overall impression on my ride home was I couldn't believe how well sorted my 1150 is against a bike with electric everything....I will be keeping the old girl and saving £10K into the bargain...result :bounce1

" I couldn't believe how well sorted my 1150 is against a bike with electric everything.... " quote
The magic words, " Well Sorted "
i recently changed to a 1200 because i found my 1150 to heavy.
i have un sorted my 1150 and it's back to standard :( ready for it's sale.
what a difference ! :(.
it no longer feels like my 1150.But ! the same can be said for my now sorted for me 1200 ;) which feels good.
 
Each to their own I guess. I prefer the GSA as I prefer the extra weight on the front. Plus the physical size of the GSA suits me better. You do notice the weight lifting it off the side stand, but it's not bad.
 
Really? The last time I checked, a 19" diameter wheel is indeed larger than a 17" diameter wheel. :comfort

Well done, you've been watching Sesame Street again haven't you :D

My point was that the GS and GSA have exactly the same size wheels back and front so this would not affect your perception of poor handling on the GSA.
 
R1200GSA twin cam test ride today

Got a four hour test ride booked at Alan Jefferies today. It'll be interesting to see whether the extra midrange makes a difference on the road compared to my 2009 model. Just hope I can cope with the seat height two-up at a standstill :confused:

Unless we test the K1300R instead...
 
Well, the new engine is definitely an improvement as it pulls more strongly throughout the rev range - top gear acceleration two-up is much improved.

However, the GSA doesn't handle as precisely as my GS due to the higher centre of gravity and longer travel suspension. I'd definitely buy the twincam GS instead of the GSA as I love the twisties
 
Booked some test rides at Allan Jefferies last Friday, thought I would investigate what the new twin cam engine was like so booked rides on twin cam GS Adventure, twin cam GS and just for the hell of it a K1300R as a "power trip"

The weather last Friday could have been better for it as we got a couple of good soakings on the way down, Dan, my son-in law and myself travelled down to Jefferies from just outside of Darlington, about a 55 mile trip.
For the morning ride, I was on the GS and Dan took the ADV, I'd worked a route out going out through Otley, Dacre, Pateley Bridge, Grassington, Rylstone, and back through Ilkley, about an 80 mile circuit.:thumb2

First impressions of the GS were very good, the new twin cam engine certainly sounds the part, quite "Rorty" when the power valve opens and it did seem to have quite a torque advantage over the normal 1200 engine, once we got out past Otley heading towards Dacre on the B6451, I could give the GS a bit more gas and the bike absolutely flew :D, very impressed with the power delivery of the twin cam, seeming to have ample amounts of grunt right where you need it.

Handling wise it was pretty much on the ball as well, you could feel the difference scrolling through the ESA settings on the suspension and I finally settled on the "NORM" setting which gave just enough compliance to soak up the bumps and yet still deliver pretty controlled cornering.

We stopped briefly on the road past pateley Bridge to swap bikes for a few miles and I now had the Adventure, compared to the standard GS its weight was quite apparant in that you couldn't flick it around in corners quite as easily and it seemed to "blunt" the engines performance, in fact when I got off it I checked to make sure it was fitted with the twin cam engine and not the standard 1200,.. nope T/C it was, but to be honest I found it ponderous in comparison to the standard T/C GS.

After lunch I took out the K1300R and Dan was now on the std T/C GS, the K1300R looks a long low beast of a bike, so we set off back around the same route, all the press blurb rates this bike as the fastest naked bike there is at the moment and it looked very promising on the way out through the built up areas around Otley, once clear of them you could give the bike its head and I was surprised that it wasn't more powerful below 7k revs and that Dan on the std t/c GS was staying with it comfortably, only on some clear stretches of road could you get it past 7k and it seemed like then the "afterburners" kicked in :eek: and I could pull a gap on the GS, the big K1300 engine seemed to explode with power after 7k revs, but to be honest, the power delivery wasn't the easiest thing to control almost feeling like it was stacked too high in the rev range.
Coming up to a series of bends and the GS had bridged the gap and was back with me again, the extra power of the K1300 was no advantage here.
Once again we swapped bikes, with the same result, it seemed that unless you could get a decent stretch of road to use the peak power of the K1300, the GS was more than a match for it, we both agreed that we had each been faster on the GS, over the same stretch of road, the extra head height and visibility the GS gave meant you could leave your breaking into corners later, you could see around them better to plan where to apex and get back on the power.
The power delivery of the GS seemed a lot better suited to this real world type of riding as well, as soon as you nailed the throttle you got a nice satisfying gob of torque to shove you down the road, just the ticket !!

Back at Jefferies we summed up the back to back testing, Dan had been most keen on the Adventure before we actually tested them, but at the end of the day we both agreed that the favorite bike of the day had been the t/c GS, it seemed measurably faster than the ADV and more than capable of living with a K1300R and indeed on that stretch of road we both thought we could travel faster on the GS.
The only very slight critiscism I could level at the GS is that at a constant speed on a dual carriageway past Ilkley with the power valve of the exhaust open I though it was just a touch too loud for my liking, I could imagine if you had a bit of inevitable motorway slog to do, the drone may get on your nerves a bit, but it was no biggie.

This is only my 2p's worth of the bikes we tried that day, I'm sure other people will have vastly varying opinions on each bike :hide

Big thanks to Jefferies for the use of the test rides, it was very, very enlightening trying all the bikes back to back in such a short space of time and we were slightly surprised that we both picked the GS as our favorite bike of the day, the only question now is...how are my shares doing???

Should have gone across the road to see Charlie @ Ducati Leeds and buy a proper motorcycle! :rob
 


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