Test ride of Water & Air Cooled

Sgt Pepper

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I've been looking to get a newer bike and basically can't resist GS Adventure's, However, I was struggling trying decide whether the air cooled (and it's lower price') or the liquid cooled would be better, Didn't matter how many articles I read, or youtube videos I watched, I still couldn't decide. So, yesterday I took myself out on both from Bahnstormer in Maidenhead and had a lovely couple of rides into Henley and back. If you've not yet ridden them both, the engine difference of the LC is astounding. The torque and acceleration of the LC is incredible :eek: and much more like a KTM 990 Adventure I rode a few years ago. It is like riding something out of star wars in appearance but I found it very easy to maneuver at slow speeds (I'm 6'1" with short legs (32") ) It handled very well although the front wheel is slightly light which others have commented on. I suspect nothing more than a pair of TKC80's and learning the bike will resolve that. I then went out on the air cooled which definitely felt more planted and I preferred the power delivery as it is more usable ( and less likely to lose your licence) but at the same time I found it vibrated noticeably more than the LC, a little mundane and possibly too predictable?, and dare I say it, a little out of date. The LC was a blast, if a little concerning at how sporty/willing the engine feels-make no mistake, this is uber quick compared to the TU AC. The LC looks and feels modern, fun, it is smooth(no vibes), innovative and there is so much information available to the rider through the controls on the handlebars to control the display & GPS/Computer there is plenty to entertain you on those long motorway hauls(although the later not fitted on my test). I wanted the AC to win as it still is a very good bike and a very good model can easily save £3-£4,000 over the LC but I came away pretty well convinced it will be the LC if I can further convince myself to part with the hard earned!!
 
I concur. Changing from a 2012 GSA to a 14 GSAW was positive in almost every way. The negatives are relatively minor, not being able to leave the rear seat off w/o a cover, a bit of heat hitting the back of the right calf is noticeable over 85F, and the water boxer doesn't sound quite as good as the Camhead.
But there are so many things it does better (for me at least), much lighter steering and feeling overall (even though it's not), smoother running engine, more power especially from 5,000 rpm and up, better fuel milage, better seat and narrower tank at your legs, less heat overall because it doesn't have the heat from the oil cooler coming at you, no oil consumption.
 
Reference to another thread.

Why would fitting TKC 80's sort out the front end ? Couldn't think of a worse tyre for this bike.

On other GS's I've owned I've found that TKC80's have smoothed out the effect of road irregularities when the front end has been a bit light as a result of being overloaded with luggage..therefor it is a logical step in my thinking to use them for a bike with a bit of a light front end. Actually, I'd go one stage further and say that I pretty much prefer TKC80's over every tyre I've used so far on a GS. (BMW also use them to demonstrate the LC's off-road abilities.)

Do you not like them?
 
On other GS's I've owned I've found that TKC80's have smoothed out the effect of road irregularities when the front end has been a bit light as a result of being overloaded with luggage..therefor it is a logical step in my thinking to use them for a bike with a bit of a light front end. Actually, I'd go one stage further and say that I pretty much prefer TKC80's over every tyre I've used so far on a GS. (BMW also use them to demonstrate the LC's off-road abilities.)

Do you not like them?

Not that I don't like them, I think they have their place. I do though think that the performance of the WC would be seriously compromised by using such a tyre on a day to day basis.
Sorry let me rephrase that. I think any one's ability to use the performance of the WC would be seriously compromised by using such a tyre on a day to day basis.

Steve
 
You probably have a point there Steve. Having spent 3 years on the road on all surfaces I found the TKC80 the most dependable tyre in just about every way. However, we are talking adventure riding as opposed to green lane scratching. This was also done on an F650 Dakar, however I used a similar tyre in New Zealand on an 1150GSA and never had a an issue.

Mike
 
TK 80

TK 80's are a complete joke for on road use unless you are Mary Poppins
 
Be interested to know what percentage of GS/GSA owners go and do proper off reading. I have no intention of taking nearly £15K of motorcycle anywhere near such tracks so will only fit road tyres.

Can't see the point of using a dual purpose tyre unless you go off-road, as such tyres will never handle as good on the road as a pure road tyre. They are a compromise by definition. Had a Multi with Scorpion Trails and you could feel the block treads on the rear moving about on bends.
 
If the TKC-80 is too off road, try the TKC-70. I love mine - great on slippery gravel over tamac, great on tarmac and great in the wet. Ive not tried in mud but they should be fine with that aggressive tread.
 
I've got the 2015 GSA fitted with TKC80's, I live 1km from the nearest surfaced road and the TKC80's make the tracks a pleasure, I've only done 1000km on them so far but my confidence in them is growing on road as well. However when I come to change them I'll probably try the TKC70's.
 
To put a bit of context here, I spent 3 years riding around the world from Alaska to New Zealand covering around 75,000 miles. :rob I started on a F650 Dakar and ended on an R1150GSA, which I used both on and off road extensively. Having tried a number of different tyres the TKC80 came up trumps with me and most other adventure riders we met(which admittedly were few)....even on the roads because when the roads were less than perfect they were far more able to keep the front end stable. I appreciate some of you will not wish to take your bikes off-road and will want to extract the greatest speed performance on the road but they are pretty well still the best tyres I've ever used on a dual purpose bike. I'd be interested in trying the TKC70's - they sound interesting,
 


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