That old chestnut - depreciation

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I know peeps shouldn't choose their choice of bike (or car) based on resale values, but it is interesting to note that based on the PCP GFV, there is significant difference between the KTM models.

Apparently, the GFV usually between 40% & 60% of the new price. The list below shows the variation.

Model List Price GFV %
690 Duke £7799 £3092 40%
690 Duke R £9099 £4075 45%
1090 Adv £11299 £4829 43%
1290 SD R £13999 £6981 50%
1290 SA S £14299 £6354 44%
1290 SA T £15499 £7060 46%
1290 SD GT £15999 £7900 49%

As a comparison:

GS TE Excl £15565 £8345 54%

And I have ordered a 1290 SA S!


(I know - too much time on my hands :augie)
 
A GS will always hold its money better than a KTM I supppose
 
I've bought with my heart, not with my head this time. It's only money. Andres convinced me.
 
I was admiring the new KTMs in a dealers yesterday. I'd possibly consider the new 1190 instead of perhaps an AT but I'd prefer to let somebody taken the initial hit and the buy at say 12-18mth old.

However, I thought I'd just look at the PCP option and was surprised to see figures were based on an annual mileage of just 3000 miles !?!? Bit low for an Adventure bike . Are most PCP deals set with such a low figure ?
 
I'd guess the miles quoted are that low to massage the figures and keep the payments lower so it looks cheaper that it would actually be if you rode it.
 
I was admiring the new KTMs in a dealers yesterday. I'd possibly consider the new 1190 instead of perhaps an AT but I'd prefer to let somebody taken the initial hit and the buy at say 12-18mth old.

However, I thought I'd just look at the PCP option and was surprised to see figures were based on an annual mileage of just 3000 miles !?!? Bit low for an Adventure bike . Are most PCP deals set with such a low figure ?

That's bloody ridiculous. I've done 1000 miles in 2 weeks on my GSA, and will have done the same in 3 weeks on my S. These bikes are meant to be ridden, not looked at.:rob
 
That's bloody ridiculous. I've done 1000 miles in 2 weeks on my GSA, and will have done the same in 3 weeks on my S. These bikes are meant to be ridden, not looked at.:rob

That's exactly what I thought. Just to add insult to injury my monthly subscription of Bike landed on the doormat yesterday , too busy to read it I just opened it this morning. Great review of the 1090 inside and they have a massive feature on PCP deals too. On the front cover they feature the 1090 as a great value PCP deal with the headline "Go far for £151 a month " :blast

The PCP deal in the dealers had an excess charge of 14.5 pence per mile. So if you did a more reasonable 6k miles then you'd be adding £435 X 3 years = £1305 in penalties when you handed back . Or, I assume, you can negotiate a higher mileage / increased monthly payment instead ??
 
Why I avoid PCP, I buy the bike I want and then do the miles I want and then see what it is worth when I come to move it on.

Even if Bike A will be worth 5% more than Bike B 3 years later you are still only looking at £250 a year - or £5 a week - I would not buy a bike I did not want over one I did to save £5 a week.

If looking at GS Vs KTM there is also the servicing costs, my local BMW dealer is a whopping £40 and hour more for servicing - and the GS needs more regular servicing - that would probably claw back 50% of the future value loss.

The GFV is only the minimum anyway, I suspect when you go to chop in / sell a bike with a good GFV you are less likely to beat that guaranteed value.

The cheapest 1190 adventure on Bike Trader is up at £7,000 with 30k on the clock - about 50% of its new price four years ago.

The three cheapest 2014 models on Bike trader with 12k - 27k on the clock (i.e. around the end of a 3 year PCP) are all up at £8,995 so I would guess a trade in value for the previous owner of about £8,000 equates @ 55% of new value - about the same as the BMW GFV (which I doubt will return much above the GFV as it was generous to begin with)

If minimising the cost of your bike is your main concern then just buy a 650 V-Strom, it can be bought outright for about the same as the 3 year loss on a top of the range KTM and BMW.

These purchases are nothing to do with being shrewd with money, adding up a few pence here and there when you have one life on this planet seems ridiculous to me, personally I am not prepared to lose anywhere near 50% of £14,000+ every 3 years which is why I jumped at the chance of an 1190 with a £3k discount - I will almost certainly retain well over 60% of what I paid for my bike if I keep it 3 years even at my current 6,000 miles per year.

So where Moose has signed up to lose £7159 in depreciation (plus interest I assume) I will lose less than £4,500 in the same period (and pay no interest) assuming I do relatively high miles and the trade in I get on a 3 year old bike is about £1,000 lower than 3 year old ones currently trade at. The difference is nobody made me a promise of a GFV, I just did the maths by looking at what used KTM's sold for and taking into account the £3k discount I was offered.

And if I don't find a great deal to replace it at that time I do not have to give it back or come up with the bikes value in cash to keep it, I just hang onto it until a deal I do like comes along.
 
You are all looking at PCP the wrong way.
MOST people get PCP as a way to keep the monthly cost of buying the vehicle down.
The cost of extra mileage only comes into play if you hand the vehicle back at the end of the term.
If you trade it in the dealer gives you book price which hopefully covers the outstanding lump sum and a deposit on a new bike, the extra miles aren't paid for.
If you decide to keep it, you pay off the lump sum, or get further finance to pay it, and the extra miles aren't paid for.
 
PCP

PCP is a clever way for the retailer to sell many more vehicles than they ever did on HP, lock the customer into the brand and get the nice well cared for bike as a PX

So Retailer wins customer pays more money than on HP and gets the bike back to resell.


Works well for some especially if you get a despot contribution on a particular bike IE R1200RS. ?
 
I though pretty much everybody used PCP as a way to keep the capital investment down !? :nenau

Is it not a combination of reducing both the upfront capital investment and monthly payments?
 
Is it not a combination of reducing both the upfront capital investment and monthly payments?

My monthly repayments are NIL which is much better than any PCP deal so I reckon buying outright is the best way to keep your payments down. However , I calculate my main bike is depreciating by about £70 a month over a 3 yr period so that's what I'm saving up each month to replace it. The man difference is my bike wasn't new when I bought it , it was about 18mths old.
 
I though pretty much everybody used PCP as a way to keep the capital investment down !? :nenau

Is it not a combination of reducing both the upfront capital investment and monthly payments?

It can be, but as you can pay any deposit you like it doesn't have to be. It always keeps the monthly payment down tho.
 
My monthly repayments are NIL which is much better than any PCP deal so I reckon buying outright is the best way to keep your payments down. However , I calculate my main bike is depreciating by about £70 a month over a 3 yr period so that's what I'm saving up each month to replace it. The man difference is my bike wasn't new when I bought it , it was about 18mths old.

This is my way of working, I save some money each month to cover the replacement (depreciation) of the bike / car etc.

With mega low interest rates I am not saving a huge amount, but at least I know if the poo hits the fan I can sell the bike and have cash in my pocket rather than risk owing money to hand it back.

I would consider finance, but only with a big deposit so as I push the bike out of the showroom I have equity in it and at the end of the term I have no balloon payment so I would still be in a position where there at any time the bike has a considerable positive value.
 
I respect whatever way folk get their biking fix apart from theft.:)

I've used cash, conventional HP and PCP.

I've a selection of shitters that owe me nothing, arguably that now includes my Busa, bought from new 17 years ago.

The TC is mine, originally PCP but bought by me at the end of the 3 years, not sure and don't really care if that was the 'best' way to do it, I just liked the bike more and more and decided to keep hold of it, probably for quite a few years.

The Katoom is PCP, initially the lurve is strong but we'll see what the future brings, if the lurve continues I'll probably own that for a few years too it's just the way I am, alternatively, if it doesn't, I'll swap.

Of course if my circumstances change, so will my modus operandi and at and into retirement that will most certainly be the case.
 


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