Timing Chains

monkeyboy

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My 100K 1150GSA was making such a racket I could hear it even with plugs in on the motorway. I got a bit obsessed and tuned in to the noise and it was driving me bonkers. I changed the tensioner but it didn't fix it so I decided to change the timing chains. Here is a quick run through. It may all end in disaster in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere but it is working currently and I live for the present:thumby:

I contacted Iwis the OE chain makers in Germany and said what I wanted to do. I wanted to split and join the chains like the older bikes could do. They obviously didn't advocate that in this health and safety, litigious society but they gave me the number of an ex IWis man running a company in the UK using the Iwis chains. He was much more helpful:)

I had already bought one chain from Motorworks but that it tuns out, not surprisingly, is a cheap Czech copy. I phoned

Andrew Forsdick on 01299 403688 (Drive Solutions)

Really nice bloke. Worked for IWis for a long time (they used to be called Jwis?) and was pretty high up. Certainly knew his onions and sells Iwis chains for cheaper than Motorworks sells the copies:thumb2. He splits/joins them and uses them in Racing Astons so I think he can speak with authority regards this approach. He sold me a chain and made up a splitter for me (£20!) by grinding the pin on a tool and sent it with the chain. He pre split the chain for me to start and talked me through it.

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If your exhaust head bolts come off easily you could do this in an hour easily. Mine didn't and I had to get them spark eroded:rolleyes:

Take the head off, use the splitter to break the chain and push the pin nearly out. Forget about the timing at this stage, just ditch the cam cog and worry about that later.

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Then join the old to the new by pushing the pin back through. Mark it with a dab of paint.

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Then just turn the engine over and feed the chain through till the marked link comes through

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Push the old pin out and push the new pin through. Hold a lump hammer on the back and smartly tap the head with a centre punch to flatten it a touch. Ignore the captured timing cog here - that was me trying to be clever but the timing doesn't work exactly as I thought so its easier to remove it then set the timing later.

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Then set the opposite pot to TDC/compression, put the cog in so as the notch is down and the arrows are horizontal. Im my experience thats easier as the arrows are not exactly level on tdc compression - each to their own!. Once that is done, put your finger in the cog and rotate to TCD compression on this side and secure the cog with a tie.

Assemble, press start, listen and smile:thumb2

So, had the chain stretched? A little, maybe 2 mm?

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But the lateral play was much more evident. Here is the old one

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and here is the new one

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Please excuse what might come across as a 'teaching granny' approach. It may have been explained before but I couldn't find it. The chains are obviously sold as continuous and it would be a nightmare job to change them 'properly' but an hour a side and a bit of confidence it all it takes. As I said before, this might all end with metal bits sticking out in weird places but it was an interesting experience none the less:thumby:
 
Very nice pictographic manual. :thumby: The stretching comparisons shows the wear quite good too, although not sure if a 2mm would be critical enough motivation for a complete new timing chain replacement (or it's cheaper to put the "new-design" hydraulic camchain tensioner+replace the plastic camchain guards? - WMB sells them in set so I guess they recommend to replace tensioner together with the plastic guards?) I may have to do it someday too, since the bike is around 160 000+ miles.

One thing I didn't quite get: you fed the splitted new chain in with the splitted old connected to each other while keeping the camgear somehow in sync with the marking to get it on the new chain in the correct position? Or how you got it in sync in the end?

Did you started it up and the valves weren't fused into the pistons heads? :bounce1 No noises anymore?
 
Very nice pictographic manual. :thumby: The stretching comparisons shows the wear quite good too, although not sure if a 2mm would be critical enough motivation for a complete new timing chain replacement (or it's cheaper to put the "new-design" hydraulic camchain tensioner+replace the plastic camchain guards? - WMB sells them in set so I guess they recommend to replace tensioner together with the plastic guards?) I may have to do it someday too, since the bike is around 160 000+ miles.

One thing I didn't quite get: you fed the splitted new chain in with the splitted old connected to each other while keeping the camgear somehow in sync with the marking to get it on the new chain in the correct position? Or how you got it in sync in the end?

Did you started it up and the valves weren't fused into the pistons heads? :bounce1 No noises anymore?

I did fit the new hydraulic tensioner but the chain was still slapping. I think changing the plastic guards is a very big job. You need to split the engine if I'm not mistaken. Mine didn't show any wear at all that I could see. I've got a low mileage R1100S engine I had appart and the rider had somehow managed to melt/mash the ends of his plastic guides:eek:

Feeding the chain through I didn't care about the timing, I just kept the tension in the chain so as it fed round the crank properly. Once I'd reconnected the new chain, I put the opposite cylinder to TDC/Compression and made sure the cam cog on my side was sitting with the arrows horizontal and the indent pointing directly down. That's TDC exhaust. Then turned the engine one more time to TDC compression whilst holding the cog tense in the chain with a screwdriver through the middle as a spindle.

I was really worried about the timing until I thought about it. It's all pretty straight forward thank goodness. Of course, I turned the engine over a few times with a spanner before starting it, just to check nothing metal met anything else metal:thumb

It is definitely a lot quieter now and isn't slapping any more. Like you say, 2mm isn't much at all so maybe its the lateral play that was noisy. Either way, the chains are only about £25 each so it's a quick and cheap job.
 
Mine was making a hell of a racket and was waiting for it to explode!
Took it into Scrimingers in Sleaford and they replaced cam followers. Now as quiet as a .... well, as quiet as an 1150 gets. Amazing how little damage there was to followers to create such a noise. Cams were spot on so must be made of sterner stuff.
 


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