My thoughts too
Unless it's an airhead when the lack of braking ability gives a default abs
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My thoughts too
Unless it's an airhead when the lack of braking ability gives a default abs
ABS can't save you from bad riding.
It can save you from applying a little too much brake than you should have tho, and lets face it to err is human, so ABS is a good thing IMO, if it works and you don't know it's there until it does, just like the setup on my current GSA.
I wasn't riding badly Adam................unseen diesel on road and my quick thinking/reactions helped
No. but you can save yourself from bad riding.................with quick reactions and evasive action with an alert mind whilst riding
On that occasion in July 2005...................I saved myself.............ABS wouldn't have helped one jot in that situation and not many other dodgy riding moments that I've had over the years...................quick thinking, bike skill and evasive action has saved me
Stay alert.................stay alive
Grabbing a handful of brake in an emergency
....................why did you get into that situation..............tiredness/poor observation/careless thinking/too fast/too slow/wrong position on road/too close to other traffic/too fast for poor road surfaces-potential gravel/mudTou can mitigate a lot of these things
Chill pill. Just joshing.
Grabbing a handful of brake in an emergency
Tou can mitigate a lot of these things
You can indeed, but like I said, to err is human. We all make minor errors in judgement at times. ABS may come in handy in those situations. Especially for those of us non riding gods where quick thinking, bike skill and evasive action are elusive.
To sail across a stop line into A road traffic is taking things to the extreme tho, and ABS isn't really designed with that in mind.
I wasn't riding badly Adam................unseen diesel on road and my quick thinking/reactions helped
No. but you can save yourself from bad riding.................with quick reactions and evasive action with an alert mind whilst riding
On that occasion in July 2005...................I saved myself.............ABS wouldn't have helped one jot in that situation and not many other dodgy riding moments that I've had over the years...................quick thinking, bike skill and evasive action has saved me
Stay alert.................stay alive
Grabbing a handful of brake in an emergency
Tou can mitigate a lot of these things
Don't kid yourself..................that may be how you chose to remember the incident with the benefit of hindsight but from where I was LUCK played a huge part in tour continued existence on this planet,
the tyres regaining grip was as much due to the fact that the roads were not entirely soaked-but had dry patches.......
that the car driver braked when he did......
that yours and his trajectories were what they were and the fact that you both were able to take avoiding action........
your superhuman skills may have played a part but there are too many "what ifs" and variables to dismiss the value ABS would have had in this situation,I'll happily pay the extra and spec ABS every time as I have done on my last 3 GS's I can always switch it off if I'm wearing my superhero costume
everywherevirtually
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I turn my ABS off in the ice, snow, mud and off road conditions. In those circumstances where you are moving slowly it works against you. On the two other occasions where a driver pulled a U-turn in front of me and more recently a van without brake lights stopped suddenly it very much saved my skin. It was reminiscent of one of those movies where the train / car / spaceship is heading for the abyss and stops just in time
Personally I am glad I have it. I once forgot to switch it back on in Albania after a dirt road border crossing and hit a sharp bend too quick. Without the ABS i did a sphincter twitching power slide around the bend on the wrong side of the road between a horse and cart and a car.
After that I have complete faith in the benefits of the ABS when in normal road conditions. By normal I mean wet or dry.
Don't kid yourself..................that may be how you chose to remember the incident with the benefit of hindsight but from where I was LUCK played a huge part in tour continued existence on this planet,
the tyres regaining grip was as much due to the fact that the roads were not entirely soaked-but had dry patches.......
that the car driver braked when he did......
that yours and his trajectories were what they were and the fact that you both were able to take avoiding action........
your superhuman skills may have played a part but there are too many "what ifs" and variables to dismiss the value ABS would have had in this situation,I'll happily pay the extra and spec ABS every time as I have done on my last 3 GS's I can always switch it off if I'm wearing my superhero costume
I certainly said I was so fecking lucky in Post #11 and my Guardian Angel was certainly with me that afternoon, Steve
Putting the bike down would have been worse..............(especially for a tight Yorkshire twat
too............imagine the scratches to me then new bike)Eventful 2005 trip wasn't it........................remember the Hyabusa incident too, after visiting Touratech ...........that was lucky also
All I was saying was ABS on your bike doesn't make you necessarily safer, despite its claims.............whether it prevents a crash is not an exact science............how do you know whether you would have crashed if you had it or not
Personally I'm not bothered either way and it wouldn't put me off riding or buying a bike without ABS
Mr K
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What's the beef?
It was a £250 option when I bought ma bike.
If I need it - bonus.
If I don't $250 up the spout.
I'm happy to admit I'm prone to panic and I'm not always in "full-on" road warrior mode...
Call it insurance - and cheap at that.
In the 5 years and fiddy farsand I've done on mine I can count at least 3 times when the machine saved me.
What price yer I'm so good/advanced/observation when you feck-up?
It was a £250 option when I bought ma bike.
If I need it - bonus.
If I don't $250 up the spout.
I'm happy to admit I'm prone to panic and I'm not always in "full-on" road warrior mode...
Call it insurance - and cheap at that.
In the 5 years and fiddy farsand I've done on mine I can count at least 3 times when the machine saved me.
What price yer I'm so good/advanced/observation when you feck-up?
Don't really notice the ABS on mine. If I'm braking hard and hit a bump, then it feels a bit odd, but I just get on and ride the thing.
My ZZR doesn't have ABS, although the brakes are bloody good now I've sorted them out.
If I was buying new, then I'd definitely have it. It can be turned off. It can even be disabled completely.
I just like the fact that it's there IF I need it.
My ZZR doesn't have ABS, although the brakes are bloody good now I've sorted them out.
If I was buying new, then I'd definitely have it. It can be turned off. It can even be disabled completely.
I just like the fact that it's there IF I need it.
imho it is a very good insurance policy especially if the vis is not good or its dark i would now always go for it cos roads are not predictable and if you are tired or distracted and grab a handfull
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DutchBryn
Registered user
Why is it 'ok' to discuss this and not oil?
Back to the "to be or not to be (abs)"
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It can be de-activated if you don't wish for it to function.
Back to the "to be or not to be (abs)"
TO.
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It can be de-activated if you don't wish for it to function.
ABS on or OFF
Just think of all the years and miles with out ABS....and if you did grab a handful and forgot to activate it oh Sh.te !...
I would recommend it for most riders but if you have lots of off road back ground, then you can do without it. For me i don't have it and prefer the feedback of the brakes. the benefit is when moving through traffic using the front break helps the bike turn quicker witch changes the geometry of the forks {in hard front dive when braking} When you have ABS the bike uses both brakes and keeps the bike level and changes the way the bike can turn while braking eg to avoided object or car...
I just find non ABS is better for me...i think less is more on a GS
Hope this helps..
Just think of all the years and miles with out ABS....and if you did grab a handful and forgot to activate it oh Sh.te !...
I would recommend it for most riders but if you have lots of off road back ground, then you can do without it. For me i don't have it and prefer the feedback of the brakes. the benefit is when moving through traffic using the front break helps the bike turn quicker witch changes the geometry of the forks {in hard front dive when braking} When you have ABS the bike uses both brakes and keeps the bike level and changes the way the bike can turn while braking eg to avoided object or car...
I just find non ABS is better for me...i think less is more on a GS
Hope this helps..
elevensies
Registered user
i like the fact its there, rather than not being there.
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ABS
Forget ABS - safety aids lull one into a false sense of security, which is far, far more dangerous!
ABS is not important and just something else to go wrong - Just treat everyone else on the road like an idiot and learn to ride safely!
No it doesn't. It only does that if you have the combined brakes option. Normal ABS doesn't do that.
engineer said:
What? Like leathers and helmet???
Well ABS,
I live in a rain forest in the Pacific Northwest. Not to mention in a City full of cage drivers trying to kill me on my bike. I guess that says it all.
But some people will say that you should know your Bike as not to lock up the tires and so-on. For me, I am no riding God, (just a Demi-God) and will take all the help I can get.
I also agree with what Miff say about leathers and helmet. (You want good riding kit, good tires, not the cheapest ones on sale.) So why not ABS? I certainly don't ride thinking I am bullet-proof because I have ABS.
I live in a rain forest in the Pacific Northwest. Not to mention in a City full of cage drivers trying to kill me on my bike. I guess that says it all.
But some people will say that you should know your Bike as not to lock up the tires and so-on. For me, I am no riding God, (just a Demi-God) and will take all the help I can get.
I also agree with what Miff say about leathers and helmet. (You want good riding kit, good tires, not the cheapest ones on sale.) So why not ABS? I certainly don't ride thinking I am bullet-proof because I have ABS.
Leathers and a helmet do not take control of the bike; they are passive safety aids - ABS takes over control when it thinks it knows best - there is no comparison.
If we're riding GS's, then most of us will have been riding a decent amount of time and have a fair idea of how to ride.
I, and I suspect most of us, don't go out riding thinking, "It's ok, we don't need to concentrate so much today and let's take a few more risks, relying on the ABS to bail us out", we ride within the normal breaking limits of the bike, anymore than we would think, "it's ok, I have Dainesse leathers and an Arai helmet, therefore it's ok if I crash"-They are there for the hopefully better outcome of a bad situation.
To be honest, I wouldn't want to ride anywhere near close to the point where the ABS has to cut in as on the few occasions it has, I have been genuinely fearful of the awesome breaking power and the alternative outcome of them not being there. The ABS benefit for me, and I suspect most other preferred users is for the events that we cannot foresee...a bit like a parachute.....which also happens to be on the passive side too.
We will all have our stories but in a straight line on a wet or dry road, I believe ABS will bring the rider to a controlled stop faster than 95% of us could manage.
Regards,
Sgt.
I, and I suspect most of us, don't go out riding thinking, "It's ok, we don't need to concentrate so much today and let's take a few more risks, relying on the ABS to bail us out", we ride within the normal breaking limits of the bike, anymore than we would think, "it's ok, I have Dainesse leathers and an Arai helmet, therefore it's ok if I crash"-They are there for the hopefully better outcome of a bad situation.
To be honest, I wouldn't want to ride anywhere near close to the point where the ABS has to cut in as on the few occasions it has, I have been genuinely fearful of the awesome breaking power and the alternative outcome of them not being there. The ABS benefit for me, and I suspect most other preferred users is for the events that we cannot foresee...a bit like a parachute.....which also happens to be on the passive side too.
We will all have our stories but in a straight line on a wet or dry road, I believe ABS will bring the rider to a controlled stop faster than 95% of us could manage.
Regards,
Sgt.
If a car had a sharpened steel spike about 3 feet long that shot out from the centre of the steering wheel in the event of an accident - (instead of air bags, ABS, crumple zones and other 'safety' features) - there would be far fewer deaths and serious injuries on the roads.
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