TomTom Urban Rider - Cradle mod (to charge)

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TOM TOM URBAN RIDER Power-to-Cradle modification

(if you feel that you need on-bike charging and don’t want to fork out nearly 50 Quid for an Active Cradle – this is what I did yesterday for a lady-friend of ours on her bike)

First get yourself one of these nifty sealed DC-DC Converters off eBay……….
This is great as it’s a 12v to 5v 3A unit, with a rubberised USB connector on the end.

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251074245310?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

……. also get yourself a 1m or even 1.5m USB to Mini USB cable (same as the Garmin USB cable – or external Hard drive etc) – or a shorter cable depending on where you mount the Converter!

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-8M-HI-S...t=UK_Computing_USB_Cables&hash=item231b33d7e3

The DC-DC Converter module can first be mounted/installed in a suitable place – perhaps under your seat or where-ever you have space that will keep it nice and dry
(the unit is sealed – but even so it would be worth making sure it’s protected)

The Positive and Negative leads can go straight onto your battery – however I’d recommend putting an inline fuse with it for protection. If you have a fusebox – then that would be the perfect connection point.

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Once I fitted the unit – I also realised that even when the SATNAV was not being connected – the circuitry inside the DC-DC Converter would still be drawing a miniscule amount of power from the battery.

Leaving it for extended periods of time, might well allow drain on the battery.
So I fitted a weatherproof switch that can just remain under the seat and I can switch it off when the bike will be standing for an extended period.

At the moment the switch is loose on a lead, but will eventually be fitted on the side bulkhead of the bike for easy access and also to allow me to easily see (integrated LED) when it’s on or off.

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Next you place the TomTom in the cradle and check where the small weatherproof door matches the cradle. Mark the place and then using a small file or a Dremel-tool……. remove just enough of the plastic frame of the cradle to allow you to open the door/flap while the unit is still mounted.

Check your progress regularly and rather do small bits at a time.

You can always file/remove a little bit more – but if you’ve gouged out too much… well then you cannot really reverse the process?

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Once the modification has been done….. the cradle with the fitted SATNAV is then mounted back on the bike.
The USB cable is routed from the battery area underneath the tank to the front of the bike where it’s looped and cable-tied to the handlebars and the TomTom’s cradle with just enough play to allow it to fit to the unit when in use.

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Works a treat!!

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Obviously there is now an issue that technically the unit is not considered waterproof when the flap at the bottom is open – simply because the rubber seal is not engaged.

So there are different schools of thought here with one being that when the USB cable is in the unit and connected – the join creates a homogeneous seal, which would disallow water ingress.

If however you do not want to take the chance…. Then you could of course disconnect the cable whilst riding in the rain and merely ride on battery power with the flap closed……… or you could keep a few “non-lubricated” condoms or perhaps a few clear surgical gloves handy and merely pop them over the whole unit to protect it from any possible water ingress?

In any case – you’d have to get a small piece of rubberised tube/pipe (about 80mm) from B&Q or perhaps Halfords that could be pinched on one end and then tied to the cradle/handlebars in such a way that when you have removed the SATNAV for safety… the open-ended USB plug could just be pushed in to keep it safe from rain/moisture!

Perfect when not in use!

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At the end of the day… a little bit of time was needed to do the job…. (and a few cuppa's! :jager

But total cost in materials……. around £7.00 including the shrink wrap - leaving you over 40 quid to buy your mates or missus a meal at the local! :thumb

Don’t know if this info would be of any use to anyone….. but thought I’d share it!
 
Good info, but, I was under the impression that the USB port on the Rider does not charge unit! What version do you have? V2 or 3?
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Good info, but, I was under the impression that the USB port on the Rider does not charge unit! What version do you have? V2 or 3?
:)


Howdy mate - I thought it was V2 - not my unit, a friend's - will ask her for the info...
 
My V1 definitely does not charge by the mini USB. (which surprised me)
Good info nonetheless.
:)
 
My V1 definitely does not charge by the mini USB. (which surprised me)
Good info nonetheless.
:)

Mmmm I must actually get hold of some of these units and see whether I could design an alternative....... cannot see (well actually I can - they want more of your money) why the units were not designed to charge via USB and secondly why the cradles just dont come pre-wired.....?
 
As much as I appreciate the intention of the OP ..... and I don't want to come along and piss on anyone's parade ........

There's no way that the unit would be waterproof and those USB sockets aren't designed to have a USB lead hanging out of them whilst the unit is vibrating like a goodun.

My gyess is that it'll vibrate the USB port to bits if it doesn't short out through water ingress first.

Sorry :confused:
 
As much as I appreciate the intention of the OP ..... and I don't want to come along and piss on anyone's parade ........

There's no way that the unit would be waterproof and those USB sockets aren't designed to have a USB lead hanging out of them whilst the unit is vibrating like a goodun.

My gyess is that it'll vibrate the USB port to bits if it doesn't short out through water ingress first.

Sorry :confused:

Your concern is much appreciated - however there's very obviously User common-sense that should prevail here.

The unit has a "claimed" battery life of 5 to 6 hours, which for normal Urban use (as the name suggests is quite good)

The lady that asked me to do the mod indicated that for normal use in and around London where she commutes - the battery life is ample.... however when she takes a slightly longer trip, she feels that riding unknown roads and territory - especially in France, would cause her concern that if the battery died - it was not easy for her to have the unit re-charged.
Her bike also had no 12v socket and Yamaha had wired everything to her battery under the seat directly.

The modification never claimed to be waterproof - however as she's in the medical trade - she's organised herself a pack of "unlubricated" condoms that she feels would be adequate in extreme situations where she needed to cover the unit and the USB connector to protect it from a downpour.

The USB cable has also been cable-tied in such a way as to minimise travel and movement - however as you can see from the pic - she's already gotten a spare piece of rubber tubing to stash the USB connecter when not in use.
The flap at the bottom of the unit is still 100% inact with it's weather seal - so no hassles there... however if she did indeed have the proper TomTom charging cradle - and she left the bike in the rain - the exposed pins on the cradle would also be exposed to moisture and surely eventually have worse problems in the future?

So in short - the "solution" is there for her to supply the unit with a charge when her battery has given up the ghost........ should we say for an "emergency" charge and is simply a solution to a problem that actually TomTom should not have created in the first place!

The fact that this girl is a novice rider, bought her first bike and was sold this device as a total solution..... is actually quite bad considering that she was never explained the fact that she'd not be able to charge the unit on her bike without spending another 50 quid?

When I pointed the charging cradle out to her - the first response was that if she'd known that - she'd have bought a Garmin......:blast
 
As much as I appreciate the intention of the OP ..... and I don't want to come along and piss on anyone's parade ........

There's no way that the unit would be waterproof and those USB sockets aren't designed to have a USB lead hanging out of them whilst the unit is vibrating like a goodun.

My gyess is that it'll vibrate the USB port to bits if it doesn't short out through water ingress first.

Sorry :confused:

OK, an opposite view point which might reassure the OP: the Garmin Zumo 220 uses a mini-USB to charge the unit when on the bike, and has a little rubber boot to fit over the USB connector when it is not in use. I've used a 220 for a couple of years and in some atrocious weather and had no problems with the electrics. Mind you, the unit is shielded behind a windscreen so it is not exposed to the full blast of rain at hurricane speeds but has certainly been exposed to drips of water.

HTH :thumb2
 
OK, an opposite view point which might reassure the OP: the Garmin Zumo 220 uses a mini-USB to charge the unit when on the bike, and has a little rubber boot to fit over the USB connector when it is not in use. I've used a 220 for a couple of years and in some atrocious weather and had no problems with the electrics. Mind you, the unit is shielded behind a windscreen so it is not exposed to the full blast of rain at hurricane speeds but has certainly been exposed to drips of water.

HTH :thumb2

Genuinely, I'm happy to be wrong fella! :thumb
 
After replacing a broken screen on a urban rider I can confirm that the USB port is not waterproof, you need to understand its not the outer of the USB thats the issue, its whats on the other side of the port which you cant see. There is ability for water to make it onto the motherboard and allow current to flow across components and before you know it its wrecked. Wether or not you have a USB in there will make little difference as the door will be shut if you dont have a USB in it.

This is not a good idea and I would advise against this. For good weather you could easily use this solution and when touring on one occasion I would admit to using this solution but as soon as foul weather arrives I would advise anybody using this solution to reseal the unit. Its worth mentioning as well that its not just moisture but humidity thats a issue, both the unit and the bike will generate heat and if there is moisture allowed in the unit you dont need to be a genius to work out you will get condensation on the screen and wont be able to see any more. I have had this issue on one older satnav and one bike mounted radio so am speaking from experience.

But....its your £300 to wreck..... :hug
 
Originally the mod offered to my friend was simply a way of enabling her to charge the TomTom on the bike when needed - sort of emergency charge facility...... we definitely agreed it would not be wise to use this method permanently or in wet weather - in fact - I've also installed a switch under her seat to enable/disable the charger unit.

She also carries a stock of "non-lubricated" heavy duty condom's in a pouch under her seat.... if she ever needs to use the charging facility when raining - a condom wrapped over the GPS and cables makes perfect sense.... :beerjug:
 


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